[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]
List: kde-devel
Subject: Re: "Gardening" old bugreports
From: David Jarvie <djarvie () kde ! org>
Date: 2023-01-19 9:08:29
Message-ID: 776F3790-D6DD-46C2-9755-E55A5AF3FA15 () kde ! org
[Download RAW message or body]
I don't think that wishlist items should be treated in the same way as \
actual bugs. Even if the original reporter is no longer interested in a \
wishlist report or is no longer contactable, the feature asked for may \
still be valid.
For KAlarm at least, please exclude wishlist reports from gardening \
processes.
On 19 January 2023 06:17:23 GMT, AnnoyingRains <annoyingrain5@gmail.com> \
wrote:
> Also, note that we can provide exceptions when doing this, like we have
> done with Krita, (excluded from both MR and bug report cleanup). If you
> would like your project to be excluded, just let us know!
>
> Thanks
> - Kye Potter, KDE Gardening
>
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 5:07 pm, Laurent Montel <montel@kde.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > For pim* it's ok for me.
> > We have a very old bug, but pim* changed a lot.
> > Or some apps are dead (blogilo etc.)
> > A lot of bug report are duplicated or obsolete.
> >
> > Thanks for doing it.
> > Regards
> >
> > Le jeudi 19 janvier 2023, 04:04:45 CET Justin a écrit :
> > > Hi Nicolas,
> > >
> > > This has been discussed with Nate Graham directly who has approved \
> > > this cleanup of Bugzilla including the messaging behind it.
> > >
> > > I am happy to discuss any concerns that people have around this. I
> > > understand Krita requested we exclude them from any gardening and \
> > > that has been done, however this is the only feedback I have \
> > > received.
> > > The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are still
> > > relevant by involving the users who reported them in determining if \
> > > they are still valid. This increases community involvement and helps \
> > > KDE as there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review the \
> > > thousands upon thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in years.
> > >
> > > The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not had any
> > > activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to reinvigorate
> > > discussion on those bugs to see if they are still valid. If the user
> > > does not reply within the standard 30 day period after a bug is set \
> > > to NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed by the Bug Janitor.
> > >
> > > I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care is not
> > applied.
> > >
> > > I will halt it until it is approved by more developers. However if it \
> > > is decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will need to \
> > > entice more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is clearly \
> > > not a priority right now for the majority.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > On 19/1/23 11:05, Nicolas Fella wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > can we please put the effort of "gardening" old bugreports on hold
> > until
> > > > we figured out whether this is actually something we want to do?
> > Several
> > > > people already expressed concerns about this.
> > > >
> > > > Improperly applied such mass changes can do more harm than good. We \
> > > > may close bugreports that are actually still useful just because \
> > > > nobody replied on then in a relatively short timeframe.
> > > >
> > > > Properly cleaning up old bugreports is important. However, it \
> > > > requires some level of care and expertise to judge whether a \
> > > > bugreport is still useful. Judging by the volume of bugreports that \
> > > > is pinged with the
> > same
> > > > copy&paste message this care is not applied here.
> > > >
> > > > At minimum such initiatives should be announced and discussed \
> > > > before doing them, to allow people to give their input on the \
> > > > proposal. I am not aware of any such announcement/discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Nicolas
> >
> >
> > --
> > Laurent Montel | laurent.montel@kdab.com | KDE/Qt Senior Software
> > Engineer
> > KDAB (France) S.A.S., a KDAB Group company
> > Tel: France +33 (0)4 90 84 08 53, http://www.kdab.fr
> > KDAB - The Qt, C++ and OpenGL Experts
> >
> >
> >
--
David Jarvie
KAlarm author, KDE developer
[Attachment #3 (text/html)]
<html><head></head><body>I don't think that wishlist items should be \
treated in the same way as actual bugs. Even if the original reporter is no \
longer interested in a wishlist report or is no longer contactable, the \
feature asked for may still be valid.<br><br>For KAlarm at least, please \
exclude wishlist reports from gardening processes.<br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On 19 January 2023 06:17:23 GMT, AnnoyingRains \
<annoyingrain5@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <div dir="auto">Also, note that we can provide \
exceptions when doing this, like we have done with Krita, (excluded from \
both MR and bug report cleanup). If you would like your project to be \
excluded, just let us know!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">Thanks</div><div dir="auto">- Kye Potter, KDE \
Gardening</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 5:07 pm, Laurent Montel <<a \
href="mailto:montel@kde.org">montel@kde.org</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Hi,<br>
For pim* it's ok for me.<br>
We have a very old bug, but pim* changed a lot.<br>
Or some apps are dead (blogilo etc.)<br>
A lot of bug report are duplicated or obsolete.<br>
<br>
Thanks for doing it.<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2023, 04:04:45 CET Justin a écrit :<br>
> Hi Nicolas,<br>
> <br>
> This has been discussed with Nate Graham directly who has approved \
this<br> > cleanup of Bugzilla including the messaging behind it.<br>
> <br>
> I am happy to discuss any concerns that people have around this. I<br>
> understand Krita requested we exclude them from any gardening and \
that<br> > has been done, however this is the only feedback I have \
received.<br> > <br>
> The gardening team aims to find out if the bug reports are still<br>
> relevant by involving the users who reported them in determining if \
they<br> > are still valid. This increases community involvement and \
helps KDE as<br> > there isn't anywhere near enough manpower to review \
the thousands upon<br> > thousands of bugs that haven't been touched in \
years.<br> > <br>
> The bugs that we are interacting with are ones that have not had \
any<br> > activity for over 2 years. We are simply trying to \
reinvigorate<br> > discussion on those bugs to see if they are still \
valid. If the user<br> > does not reply within the standard 30 day \
period after a bug is set to<br> > NEEDSINFO, it is automatically closed \
by the Bug Janitor.<br> > <br>
> I am not simply closing bugs, so I do take offense that care is not \
applied.<br> > <br>
> I will halt it until it is approved by more developers. However if it \
is<br> > decided that it isn't wanted then the KDE as a whole will need \
to entice<br> > more people in sorting old bugs individually as it is \
clearly not a<br> > priority right now for the majority.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Justin<br>
> <br>
> On 19/1/23 11:05, Nicolas Fella wrote:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
> > <br>
> > can we please put the effort of "gardening" old bugreports on \
hold until<br> > > we figured out whether this is actually something \
we want to do? Several<br> > > people already expressed concerns \
about this.<br> > > <br>
> > Improperly applied such mass changes can do more harm than good. \
We may<br> > > close bugreports that are actually still useful just \
because nobody<br> > > replied on then in a relatively short \
timeframe.<br> > > <br>
> > Properly cleaning up old bugreports is important. However, it \
requires<br> > > some level of care and expertise to judge whether a \
bugreport is still<br> > > useful. Judging by the volume of \
bugreports that is pinged with the same<br> > > copy&paste \
message this care is not applied here.<br> > > <br>
> > At minimum such initiatives should be announced and discussed \
before<br> > > doing them, to allow people to give their input on the \
proposal. I am<br> > > not aware of any such \
announcement/discussion.<br> > > <br>
> > Cheers<br>
> > <br>
> > Nicolas<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Laurent Montel | <a href="mailto:laurent.montel@kdab.com" \
target="_blank">laurent.montel@kdab.com</a> | KDE/Qt Senior Software \
Engineer <br> KDAB (France) S.A.S., a KDAB Group company<br>
Tel: France +33 (0)4 90 84 08 53, <a href="http://www.kdab.fr" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.kdab.fr</a><br> KDAB - The Qt, \
C++ and OpenGL Experts<br> <br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div>
</blockquote></div>--<br>David Jarvie<br>KAlarm author, KDE \
developer<br></body></html>
[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]
Configure |
About |
News |
Add a list |
Sponsored by KoreLogic