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Subject: Re: Could we enable Travis-CI on our github mirrors?
From: Elvis Angelaccio <elvis.angelaccio () kdemail ! net>
Date: 2016-04-21 7:31:23
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2016-04-21 8:30 GMT+02:00 Frederik Schwarzer <schwarzer@kde.org>:
> Am 21.04.2016 07:56 schrieb Teo Mrnjavac:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can we call things as they are please? The name is "Travis CI", not
>> "githubCI". Travis CI is open source, a separate product and service that
>> happens to talk to GitHub.
>>
>
> I think Albert's concern is (and I agree) that the meaning of a potential
> Travis-hosted CI is shifting over time from "addition" to "main one".
> People tend to do this. Oh, this one feature here, oh, the easier login
> there ...
>
> In general I think 3rd party services should be avoided to get an official
> status in KDE. Sourceforge suddenly started adding adware to all downloads.
> Github can do the same. Tomorrow, nezt week, next year. They might announce
> this first or they don't. The same way TravixCI could say, they now want
> money or put ads all over the place. We have no control over this at all.
> So it is better to invest some time and money to maintain our own
> infrastructure. It makes us independent from some management decision made
> by some company. Also, for an infrastructure inside KDE, we need people to
> work on it. If now people start to use 3rd party sevices, less people are
> looking at our infrastructure and it gets less attention. That's at least
> why I would vote against that kind of "additions" made official. If some
> developer wants to use something somewhere, I guess there is nothing to
> hold him back but KDE shoud remain as self-contained as possible. Wth all
> the little problems coming with this.
>
To be fair, similar concerns should then be raised lalso against our usage
of Telegram (which seems to me less open than Travis, btw).
>
> Regards,
> Frederik
>
Cheers,
Elvis
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<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-21 \
8:30 GMT+02:00 Frederik Schwarzer <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:schwarzer@kde.org" \
target="_blank">schwarzer@kde.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am <a \
href="tel:21.04.2016%2007" value="+12104201607" target="_blank">21.04.2016 07</a>:56 \
schrieb Teo Mrnjavac:<br> <br>
Hi,<span class=""><br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> Can we call things as they are please? The name is \
"Travis CI", not<br> "githubCI". Travis CI is open source, a \
separate product and service that<br> happens to talk to GitHub.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I think Albert's concern is (and I agree) that the meaning of a potential \
Travis-hosted CI is shifting over time from "addition" to "main \
one". People tend to do this. Oh, this one feature here, oh, the easier login \
there ...<br> <br>
In general I think 3rd party services should be avoided to get an official status in \
KDE. Sourceforge suddenly started adding adware to all downloads. Github can do the \
same. Tomorrow, nezt week, next year. They might announce this first or they \
don't. The same way TravixCI could say, they now want money or put ads all over \
the place. We have no control over this at all. So it is better to invest some time \
and money to maintain our own infrastructure. It makes us independent from some \
management decision made by some company. Also, for an infrastructure inside KDE, we \
need people to work on it. If now people start to use 3rd party sevices, less people \
are looking at our infrastructure and it gets less attention. That's at least why \
I would vote against that kind of "additions" made official. If some \
developer wants to use something somewhere, I guess there is nothing to hold him back \
but KDE shoud remain as self-contained as possible. Wth all the little problems \
coming with this.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>To be fair, similar concerns \
should then be raised lalso against our usage of Telegram (which seems to me less \
open than Travis, btw).<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
Regards,<br>
Frederik<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Elvis \
<br></div></div><br></div></div>
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