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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Kubuntu asking for input
From:       Jonathan Riddell <jriddell () ubuntu ! com>
Date:       2009-11-06 0:10:14
Message-ID: 20091106001013.GZ32356 () muse ! 19inch ! net
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On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 06:48:45PM +0100, Martin Gr??lin wrote:
> 3. Patching: it's really difficult to find the patches Kubuntu applies. I tried 
> to look for all patches to kwin and it was painfull (I found one patch and it 
> got removed). While bazaar might be nice for you because of the launchpad 
> integration it's definately not helping in getting more developers. That seems 
> to me like a general problem with the Ubuntu landscape (compare Rosetta).

The revision control system is really irrelevant here.  Patches are
normally available from http://patches.ubuntu.com/ and are very easy
to find (the site is currently down while the new development version
is opened).  You could also see them direct from the revision control
system at
e.g.
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/kdemultimedia/ubuntu/files/head%3A/debian/patches/
but that's just a web interface just as KDE SVN has or SuSE build
service or whatever.

We'll be closely reviewing all patches as we start the new development
version of Kubuntu to make sure everything that can go upstream does.

> There are also some changes in the default settings which are difficult to 
> track. Here I would ask: why change the default?

There's a number of reasons to change the defaults but we are mindful
to do so as little as is sensible, we do it much less now than in KDE
3 times because most of the changes have been put upstream.  I'll send
a review of our overrides from kubuntu-default-settings in the next
week or so with rationales for what's in it.

> 4. Ayatana: I really, really dislike the changes done to Kubuntu Karmic due to 
> Ayatana.

Which do you object to?  The freedesktop.org visual notification
changes have been merged into 4.4.  There was a patch to the "out of
battery" notification which was specified by the lead of KDE's
usability team but people didn't like that so we just changed it to a
longer timeout.  The other changesa are message indicator (much better
than what KDE 4.3 has, but not done as plasma team wants it
implemented) and actionless notifications (nobody seems to like this)
aren't turned on by default so would be hard to object to.

> 5. Support: Kubuntu promises 18 month of support, but the repositories do not 
> contain updates.

Pay Canonical money and you'll get a chap at the end of a phone line
ready to support Kubuntu in 18 months time.  There are security
updates for 18 months too.  Maybe we need to be clearer that support
doesn't mean backporting KDE releases for 18 months?  (We tend to only
do that for the previous release.)

Jonathan
 
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