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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: situation with window decorations
From:       Matthew Woehlke <mw_triad () users ! sourceforge ! net>
Date:       2009-09-01 21:56:48
Message-ID: 4A9D98A0.6050604 () users ! sourceforge ! net
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Hugo Pereira Da Costa wrote:
> - I agree that having nitrogen into kde (as opposed to kde-look) put 
> more requirement in terms of clarity of the options, simplicity of the 
> configuration, and matching with the rest of the work. Open for 
> suggestions.

kde-usability is a good place to ask for UI design advice. Though I see 
trunk is much better now than last week.

One thing I would still change; instead of "Exceptions", 
"Window-Specific Settings" or "Window-Specific Overrides". I think that 
would be more meaningful to end users.

Oh, and I can't seem to set 'blend with window contents' as an 
exception. If I check it, it doesn't apply, and is unchecked when I 
re-edit the exception.

Speaking of exceptions, is it possible to add exceptions based on the 
window's host (i.e. remote X)? Ideally, even based on what user owns the 
window? (So I can have a rule 'host matches "foo" and user matches "bar" 
and window class matches "baz"'...) That, plus ability to change the 
colors in an exception would let me make much more pretty windows for 
stuff I frequently run remotely and/or as a different user.

> In fact: bespin has a size grip too; some user on kde-look commented 
> that they _really_ liked the "no-border + size grip" option;

Ah, with no border I can see why you would want a (different) size grip. 
Note that the Oxygen border already /has/ a size grip...

> - scratch line: no preference whether one should keep the option or not, 
> but if we don't, I'd rather have the default be 'no scratch line' 
> (notably because scratch lines and large buttons don't fit well together).

Yes, please don't force scratches on us ;-).

> - blue glow for active window. I don't like it (personally), although I 
> understand the purpose. I'd be inclined to keep the option.

Well it's Active Window Titlebar-colored, yes? ;-) But it needs to stay, 
either as an option, or always-on, or we're back to why Ozone got forked 
in the first place...

> - title bar color: I have no opinion. I always used the 'window content' 
> colors, so that I would have no objections against removing the option, 
> but as far as I understand, a large number of people ask for it ...

Actually, I think I would like to use it with non-Qt applications (since 
those won't blend correctly anyway). For Qt applications it is more 
ugly... IMHO ;-).

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