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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: KDE4: missing features from KDE3
From:       Anne Wilson <cannewilson () googlemail ! com>
Date:       2009-08-05 5:08:36
Message-ID: 200908050608.36357.cannewilson () googlemail ! com
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On Tuesday 04 August 2009 21:03:40 Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
> This conversation is degenerating towards something unrelated.
>
> Facts:
> - KDE4 is way better, more extensible and prepared for the future than KDE3
> was - KDE4 is still missing some KDE3 features
> - For some users, those features are important
> - What's more important, some of those features are LEGITIMATE
> - Some (most?) KDE developers don't know about those legitimate
> features, therefore we cannot implement them. Just because we don't
> know they are missing and people value them.
>
> In my opinion, we need some place to gather all those KDE3 feature
> requests, then:
>
> - For stupid and/or illegitimate requests (for instance "bring kicker
> back!", "implement KDE4 with Qt 1.x", etc), a short explanation is
> given. When someone comes again to request that KDE3 missing feature,
> we already have an answer.
>
> - For legitimate requests, we try to implement them. No pressure. No
> need to rush. Slowly but steady.
>
> Now, I don't care what system we use (wiki, bugzilla, openfate,
> brainstorm, etc) but I think these are reasonable requirements:
>
> - It should be easy to find for users (to add missing-features
> requests) and developers
> - It should be easy to gather all those feature requests in one list
> - It should be easy to post progress (i. e. "I'm working on it", "it
> won't be fixed because ...", etc)
>
> IMHO:
> - Brainstorm is not the best tool for that. Neither for users nor for
> developers.
> - We don't have OpenFATE (do we?)
> - Wiki (userbase) is easy for users and it would be easy to have a
> one-page list of those features, but it's not the best tool to keep
> progress and I don't like the idea of user continually vandalizing the
> page (i. e. removing "won't fix" notices)
Agreed - monitoring it for this sort of thing would be horrendous.  I'll do it 
if we have no other option, but only if absolutely necessary.

> - BugZilla would be perfect for developers. It's just a matter of
> adding a new category "KDE3 missing feature". Users tend not to like
> Bugzilla but it they are really interested in that feature, they can
> afford some pain. Can we get this?

+1

But practically, where does that leave us?  Triagers still need to wade 
through hundreds of bug reports, to re-tag them.  Could we not try for a 
triage team to work together, say a couple of times a month, for a few hours 
to clear as many as possible?  A determined effort with an IRC channel open 
for questions or discussion could get a lot done.  I'm not sure than anyone 
other than the developer of each application could reliable do the 'duplicate' 
bit, but it doesn't need such specialist knowledge to sort out bug from wish 
or from kde3-feature.

Anne
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