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From: "Jordi Polo" <mumismo () gmail ! com>
Date: 2008-11-20 5:41:37
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On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:25 PM, James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj@acm.org> wrote:
> Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 November 2008, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> >>> No, not all of KDE3 is unmaintained. But aRts certainly is;
> >> But, distros still use it, don't they?
> >
> > Nobody works on it. It is a dead project. Has been for a few years. It's
> > really the first KDE3 component to reach EOL in this fashion, and it
> happened
> > before KDE 4 coding started.
> >
> >>> the project itself was closed (!) by it's maintainer, coder and
> >>> designer a couple years (!!) back. The project is dead.
> >> I am quite aware of the status of aRts. However, this is not a bug in
> >> aRts, it is a bug in the KControl module:
> >>
> >> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System
> >>
> >> I presume that KControl is still maintained.
> >
> > the aRts panel is not.
>
> Please try to understand what I said:
>
> If you have a copy KDE-3.5.x built "with-arts" and you set the spinbox
> in question to "0" by mistake, your sound will not work. This is a
> problem that still needs to be fixed if people are still using aRts
> despite how dead it is. There are other libraries that are dead and we
> continue to use them too.
I'd say: update.
The bug exists but the software is unsupported. Thus, keeping the bug around
is a kind of self-deceive as noone will work on it anyway.
If it is really important, you should consider update or if that is not
possible, simply solve it yourself.
About the other issue, no comment.
>
> >
> >>> ... as for the rest of the discussion about who was the bigger
> >>> schnozz, it's not useful, it's not appropriate and it's not wanted on
> >>> this list.
>
> >> Why isn't it?
> >
> > http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/
> >
> We do not tolerate personal attacks, racism, sexism or any other form of
> discrimination. Disagreement is inevitable, from time to time, but
> respect for the views of others will go a long way to winning respect
> for your own view. Respecting other people, their work, their
> contributions and assuming well-meaning motivation will make community
> members feel comfortable and safe and will result in motivation and
> productivity.
>
> We expect members of our community to be respectful when dealing with
> other contributors, users and communities. Remember that KDE is an
> international project and that you may be unaware of important aspects
> of other cultures.
>
> I presume that this applies to everyone.
>
> Again I state the fact:
>
> 'I do not appreciate PT's attitude.'
>
> This is a statement about me. This is how I feel. The response to my
> statement of how I felt was that I was accused of stupidity. Who is
> following this code of conduct? No respect for my views; is there?
>
> There are clearly issues with collaboration and ignoring them and
> pretending that they don't exist might be considered to be following the
> Code of Conduct, but it means that things are too PC and it isn't going
> to help. To improve things, you need to discuss what needs to be
> improved and you can't really do that while being PC -- you need to make
> statements about what is wrong or what needs to be fixed.
>
> If I said that your replies often look like you didn't carefully read
> the posting that you are replying to, would you consider that to be a
> violation also?
>
> This bug was opened: 2004-06-27 and it only took the changing of one
> character to fix it. Yet over 4 years passed and nobody fixed it. I
> have to wonder about that. And now people seem determined to close it
> without fixing it.
>
> --
> JRT
>
> >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to
> unsubscribe <<
>
--
Jordi Polo Carres
NLP laboratory - NAIST
http://www.bahasara.org
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:25 PM, James Richard Tyrer \
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tyrerj@acm.org">tyrerj@acm.org</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">Aaron J. \
Seigo wrote:<br> > On Wednesday 19 November 2008, James Richard Tyrer wrote:<br>
>>> No, not all of KDE3 is unmaintained. But aRts certainly is;<br>
>> But, distros still use it, don't they?<br>
><br>
> Nobody works on it. It is a dead project. Has been for a few years. It's<br>
> really the first KDE3 component to reach EOL in this fashion, and it \
happened<br> > before KDE 4 coding started.<br>
><br>
>>> the project itself was closed (!) by it's maintainer, coder and<br>
>>> designer a couple years (!!) back. The project is dead.<br>
>> I am quite aware of the status of aRts. However, this is not a bug \
in<br> >> aRts, it is a bug in the KControl module:<br>
>><br>
>> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System<br>
>><br>
>> I presume that KControl is still maintained.<br>
><br>
> the aRts panel is not.<br>
<br>
</div>Please try to understand what I said:<br>
<br>
If you have a copy KDE-3.5.x built "with-arts" and you set the spinbox<br>
in question to "0" by mistake, your sound will not work. This is \
a<br> problem that still needs to be fixed if people are still using aRts<br>
despite how dead it is. There are other libraries that are dead and we<br>
continue to use them too.</blockquote><div><br>I'd say: update. <br>The bug \
exists but the software is unsupported. Thus, keeping the bug around is a kind of \
self-deceive as noone will work on it anyway.<br>If it is really important, you \
should consider update or if that is not possible, simply solve it yourself.<br> \
<br>About the other issue, no comment. <br><br> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> <div class="Ih2E3d">><br>
>>> ... as for the rest of the discussion about who was the bigger<br>
>>> schnozz, it's not useful, it's not appropriate and it's not \
wanted on<br> >>> this list.<br>
<br>
>> Why isn't it?<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/" \
target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/</a><br> ><br>
</div>We do not tolerate personal attacks, racism, sexism or any other form of<br>
discrimination. Disagreement is inevitable, from time to time, but<br>
respect for the views of others will go a long way to winning respect<br>
for your own view. Respecting other people, their work, their<br>
contributions and assuming well-meaning motivation will make community<br>
members feel comfortable and safe and will result in motivation and<br>
productivity.<br>
<br>
We expect members of our community to be respectful when dealing with<br>
other contributors, users and communities. Remember that KDE is an<br>
international project and that you may be unaware of important aspects<br>
of other cultures.<br>
<br>
I presume that this applies to everyone.<br>
<br>
Again I state the fact:<br>
<br>
'I do not appreciate PT's attitude.'<br>
<br>
This is a statement about me. This is how I feel. The response to my<br>
statement of how I felt was that I was accused of stupidity. Who is<br>
following this code of conduct? No respect for my views; is there?<br>
<br>
There are clearly issues with collaboration and ignoring them and<br>
pretending that they don't exist might be considered to be following the<br>
Code of Conduct, but it means that things are too PC and it isn't going<br>
to help. To improve things, you need to discuss what needs to be<br>
improved and you can't really do that while being PC -- you need to make<br>
statements about what is wrong or what needs to be fixed.<br>
<br>
If I said that your replies often look like you didn't carefully read<br>
the posting that you are replying to, would you consider that to be a<br>
violation also?<br>
<br>
This bug was opened: 2004-06-27 and it only took the changing of one<br>
character to fix it. Yet over 4 years passed and nobody fixed it. I<br>
have to wonder about that. And now people seem determined to close it<br>
without fixing it.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
--<br>
JRT<br>
<br>
>> Visit <a href="http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub" \
target="_blank">http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub</a> to \
unsubscribe <<<br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- \
<br>Jordi Polo Carres<br>NLP laboratory - NAIST<br><a \
href="http://www.bahasara.org">http://www.bahasara.org</a><br><br>
>> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe <<
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