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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    [Fwd: Re: Feeding trolls]
From:       James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj () acm ! org>
Date:       2008-06-10 19:54:13
Message-ID: 484EDBE5.3040406 () acm ! org
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I am not going to reply to this any further since Nathan Bradshaw's 
postings to this thread have degenerated into gratuitous insults.  This 
thread started out as a legitimate argument and like all such threads, 
it became a bit off topic.  But, he is way over the line and I ask that 
you please look at his recent postings to this thread.

http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121311705402053&w=2
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121312336013483&w=2
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121312383214404&w=2
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121312482816133&w=2
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121312527116837&w=2

I presume that deliberate insults and personal attacks are not permitted 
on this list.

I am adding him to my kill file, but that won't help the others on the list.

-- 
JRT


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Feeding trolls
Date: 	Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:05:47 -0400
From: 	Nathan Bradshaw <nathanlbradshaw@gmail.com>
Reply-To: 	kde-devel@kde.org
To: 	kde-devel@kde.org
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<484E919E.2070902@acm.org>
<92af7fc70806100917p64d512d2waac37a1199561de0@mail.gmail.com>
<200806102033.22213.boud@valdyas.org> <484ECE06.5010206@acm.org>



wow, did you read the second link? it must have been like looking in a
mirror or something. I don't suppose it actually had any impact on you,
but man... spooky heh?

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj@acm.org
<mailto:tyrerj@acm.org>> wrote:

     Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
      > On Tuesday 10 June 2008, Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
      >> you have brought absolutely nothing of value to this list. This 
is a
      >> development list and you've devolved it into a showcase for your
     petty
      >> banter and weird, deranged personal agenda with Aaron.
      >
      > In fact, this thread shows to a nicety what Sussman calls
     "poisonous people"
      > can do to a project
      > (http://www.slideshare.net/oscon2007/os-fitzpatrick-sussman).
     He's more
      > guarded in his book
      >
 
(http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html#handling-difficult-people),
     but
      > it's the same thing: people who contribute little but drain the
     energy of the
      > people who actually do the work by starting the same
      > unproductive "discussions" over and over.

     Doesn't justify NB's ad hominem attacks.  In fact, you might think that
     those that resort to personal attacks are the real "poisonous people".

      > Small wonder Aaron gets fed up: he and the plasma people have 
created
      > something really great, flexbile and powerful that makes my 
daughters
      > go "wow!" when they see my desktop -- and all these self-righteous
      > do-nothings do is yammering for something they've got already and
     demanding
      > that people spend valuable time paying attention to them. These
     people are
      > pure poison to a free software project.

     Yep, you are clearly one of those that think that "user" should be
     spelled with an 'l' (looser).

     Aaron gets fed up because he has an attitude problem.  He seems to have
     a need to tell users that make suggestions that they are wrong. 
This is
     a useless waste of his time.  I will not say that he is poisonous, but
     this is clearly dysfunctional.

     Users pay his salary and he should accept their feedback and treat them
     with respect.  But he does not respect users.

     You don't have my email, which I posted in direct response to a request
     by another developer, where I listed some of the features I found
     missing in the current desktop.  What did Aaron do, he went through it
     line by line telling me that I was wrong without really reading and
     understanding what I said.  I posted a reply and he did the same thing.
      Sometimes his micro replies to parts of a paragraph contradict each
     other.

     It takes two to make an argument and Aaron chooses to argue with users.

     --
     JRT

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