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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Plasma Icons on DeskTop (continued) [Rant]]
From:       Jason Stubbs <jasonbstubbs () gmail ! com>
Date:       2007-12-25 12:56:16
Message-ID: 200712252156.16157.jasonbstubbs () gmail ! com
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(first mail to -devel. hello!)

On Tuesday 25 December 2007 18:52:10 JST James Richard Tyrer wrote:
> I didn't want to continue this on the dot since AJS totally
> misunderstood my point which was quite simple:
>
> It isn't finished yet.

It never will be finished - art is like that. I guess by saying "finished" you 
mean "does everything kde 3.5 does".

> It doesn't work.

Tell that to the developers who now use kde4 as their main desktop. I guess 
you mean "doesn't do everything kde 3.5 does".

> Calling this situation bugs doesn't help with the problem either.

Seeing you haven't really defined "this situation" in this email, I'm assuming 
that you're referring to desktop icons that you mentioned in your first post 
on the dot. In my opinion, calling these bugs does help the problem.

Some applications (such as kmail?) won't be ready for kde 4.0 so they won't be 
released with it. You could say that they have too many bugs. I'd really like 
to do the same thing with plasma too. If some parts aren't ready, just 
disable them and the bugs are gone. At least that way, what is available will 
be more stable and there'll be more resources devotable to working on 4.1. :)

> IAC, after several days, it is possible to change the icons on the
> desktop.  However, only by logging out and deleting:
>
> 	$HOME/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
>
> Changing the font size for the desktop still does nothing and the
> unchangeable default is a bit large for 32x32 icons.
>
> I still get the: "This object could not be created" error widget when I
> drag something to the desktop.  Coincidently, these don't have a button
> to get rid of them.
>
> And then there is this interesting anomaly:
>
> 	http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrerj/kde/snapshot5.jpg
>
> Icon size is set at 32 pixels and it appears that 2 out of 3 desktop
> icons are that size.  The other one seems to be 48x48 and I have no idea
> why.

These are all quite obvious issues (except perhaps for the issue with the font 
size set in system settings not being used - which is apparently fixed 
according to one of Aaron's replies on the dot) so you can be assured that 
the developers working on this stuff know about them.

> Please!  Do not take any of this personally.  I do not intend any of it
> or what I posted on the dot as anything personal.

Ok. But please reciprocate this and don't take people not agreeing with you 
personally either.

> I am just asking developers to be realistic. IMHO, this is not a few bugs or 
> stuff that can be fixed with a few lines of code.  It is seriously broken 
> and some of it hasn't even been written yet.  It isn't going to get done in 
> 16 days.

Most of this paragraph is way off track. There's not really that much broken 
and most of the infrastructure is there. Granted, it won't be a walk in the 
park to get it ready, but 16 days is a lot of time. Especially considering 
that holidays (from work/school) are coming, there's still 100s if not 1000s 
of man-hours of work that can be done.

> We don't even have a proper release candidate of the Plasma DeskTop and we 
> are talking about releasing it in 16 days. This is folly! 

As I said above, the desktop is already usable by a lot of people. It's far 
from perfect but, even in the worst case, disabling the bits that don't work 
still leaves a fairly stable usable desktop. Not having a proper release 
candidate is a bit unfortunate, but it's not really that big a deal.

> Being realistic, there is only one answer and that is not to release it
> till it is ready.

If you search back in the archives of kde-core-devel, you'll find a few 
threads with devs debating this very topic. If you haven't ready them, they 
didn't really end harmoniously. ;)

There's still many devs that feel the same way as you, but the release is 
going forward regardless. Just make the best of it. :)

-- 
Jason Stubbs
 
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