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Subject: Re: KDE & RDF
From: Robert Kaye <rob () eorbit ! net>
Date: 2007-10-01 18:56:52
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On Oct 1, 2007, at 4:07 AM, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As you may know, KDE (http://www.kde.org) is close to release a new
> major version (4.0) of the K Desktop Environment. Amongst the many
> applications which belong to KDE is Amarok, a very popular open
> source music player.
>
> The current version of Amarok (1.4.7), the latest available for KDE
> 3, is still using libtunepimp and RDF to access MusicBrainz
> information. Recently we have been informed MusicBrainz plans to
> remove RDF access (the only information I can find in your website
> is "we will certainly support RDF through 2007 but will remove it
> when we move to the new schema").
Well, there are two steps that are happing:
1. Decommission the TRM server (old style acoustic fingerprints),
which could happen in as little as about 90 days.
2. Decommission the RDF web service, which as you noted will happen
after NGS. But, NGS is still about a year or so away from being
complete.
You have some time, but if you're using TRMs then you need to switch
to PUIDs asap.
> As KDE 4.0 may take a while to be fully available in distributions
> (for instance, it will not be installed by default in the very
> popular Kubuntu distribution until October 2008; other
> distributions will certainly make it available by March-April by
> default), a discussion exploded between the ones who say we should
> invest our time in a new Amarok release for KDE 3, supporting the
> new webservices interface, and the ones who say "if it becomes
> broken, screw it".
Well, I'd really prefer it if Amarok didn't go the route of "screw
it". That's going to give us a lot of hassles and fuss I'd rather not
have. PUIDs have been out for 1.5 years and we've been making noise
that people need to switch. Its high time that Amarok switches!
> As your website does not clearly state when the RDF interface will
> be disabled, could you please tell me if you have any plans on this
> issue?
See above. :)
--
--ruaok Somewhere in Texas a village is *still* missing its idiot.
Robert Kaye -- rob@eorbit.net -- http://mayhem-chaos.net
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after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 1, 2007, at 4:07 AM, Pau Garcia i Quiles \
wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">Hello,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As you may know, KDE (<A \
href="http://www.kde.org">http://www.kde.org</A>) is close to release a new major \
version (4.0) of the K Desktop Environment. Amongst the many applications which \
belong to KDE is Amarok, a very popular open source music player.</DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The current version of Amarok (1.4.7), the \
latest available for KDE 3, is still using libtunepimp and RDF to access MusicBrainz \
information. Recently we have been informed MusicBrainz plans to remove RDF access \
(the only information I can find in your website is "we will certainly support RDF \
through 2007 but will remove it when we move to the new \
schema").</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Well, \
there are two steps that are happing:</DIV><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>1. Decommission the TRM server (old style \
acoustic fingerprints), which could happen in as little as about 90 \
days.</DIV><DIV>2. Decommission the RDF web service, which as you noted will happen \
after NGS. But, NGS is still about a year or so away from being \
complete.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>You have some \
time, but if you're using TRMs then you need to switch to PUIDs asap.</DIV><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: \
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As KDE 4.0 may take a \
while to be fully available in distributions (for instance, it will not be installed \
by default in the very popular Kubuntu distribution until October 2008; other \
distributions will certainly make it available by March-April by default), a \
discussion exploded between the ones who say we should invest our time in a new \
Amarok release for KDE 3, supporting the new webservices interface, and the ones who \
say "if it becomes broken, screw it".</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Well, I'd really prefer it if Amarok \
didn't go the route of "screw it". That's going to give us a lot of hassles and fuss \
I'd rather not have. PUIDs have been out for 1.5 years and we've been making noise \
that people need to switch. Its high time that Amarok switches!</DIV><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As \
your website does not clearly state when the RDF interface will be disabled, could \
you please tell me if you have any plans on this issue?</DIV> \
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>See above. :)</DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN \
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0px; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">--</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--ruaok <SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Somewhere in Texas a village is *still* missing \
its idiot.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Robert Kaye<SPAN \
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</SPAN>--<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN> <SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A \
href="mailto:rob@eorbit.net">rob@eorbit.net</A><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> \
</SPAN> <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>-- <SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>http://mayhem-chaos.net</DIV><BR \
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