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Subject: Re: [Idea]Context Sensitive file dialog
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rafael_Fern=E1ndez_L=F3pez?=" <ereslibre () gmail ! com>
Date: 2006-10-02 17:11:00
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I really think extensions should be taken out from operating systems. Each
file knows what represents by first bytes. Why extensions do exist?
I want "mypicture" to be named as "mypicture" not as "mypicture.jpg". He
knows that is a jpeg.
2006/10/2, Christopher Blauvelt <cblauvelt@gmail.com>:
>
> I think it would be better to have the file analyzed up to a certain file
> size and after that fallback on the extension, if it needs to be analyzed at
> all. Is this really such a problem with people misnaming files that it
> would need to be analyzed? After all, it is just a recommendation. It's
> not where they HAVE to put the file. It just seems like the "file might be
> named incorrectly" is much ado about nothing.
> Chris
>
>
> On 10/2/06, Alessandro Pignotti <alex.pigna@inventati.org> wrote:
> >
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> > Christopher Blauvelt ha scritto:
> > > The only problem with having the file downloaded to a temporary
> > > directory is
> > > that if it's a really large file, like 1GB, then you need to have
> > twice
> > > that
> > > space in order to actually download the file. This normally isn't a
> > > problem
> > > unless you're getting to the end of your hard drive and you have a
> > large
> > > file but it's happened to me and was VERY frustrating. How many bytes
> > are
> > > required for the file detection? If it's not that much it would be
> > > possible
> > > to download the bytes to a buffer for file detection and then flush
> > those
> > > bytes to the file location.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/2/06, Rafael Fernández López <ereslibre@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> From my point of view, extensions are not trustable. An executable
> > file
> > >> can be extensioned as JPG. I think the tmp folder, type file study
> > and
> > >> dialog message is the best option.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
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> > How may bytes? To check a file signature it may be enough to dl 1K, but
> > we were talking about putting _similar_ files in the same folder. And
> > the similarity can be found only if the whole file is analyzed i think.
> > anyway, to be realistic, download from http/ftp (i think we are talking
> > about those protocol primarly) up to 1GB are not common. To exchange
> > large files, like linux distro, bittorrent is now the most common
> > method, so it shoul not be a concern here. We can always offer the user
> > a choice: if the file is larger that a certain threshold, we alert him
> > that is better not to analyze the file and the user can choose the
> > destination diretory as usually
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I really think extensions should be taken out from operating systems. Each file knows \
what represents by first bytes. Why extensions do exist?<br><br>I want \
"mypicture" to be named as "mypicture" not as " \
mypicture.jpg". He knows that is a jpeg.<br><br><div><span \
class="gmail_quote">2006/10/2, Christopher Blauvelt <<a \
href="mailto:cblauvelt@gmail.com">cblauvelt@gmail.com</a>>:</span><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>I think it would be better to have the file \
analyzed up to a certain file size and after that fallback on the extension, if it \
needs to be analyzed at all. Is this really such a problem with people \
misnaming files that it would need to be analyzed? After all, it is just a \
recommendation. It's not where they HAVE to put the file. It just seems \
like the "file might be named incorrectly" is much ado about nothing. \
</div> <div>Chris<br><br> </div><div><span class="e" id="q_10e0995cd0132d75_1">
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/2/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Alessandro \
Pignotti</b> <<a href="mailto:alex.pigna@inventati.org" target="_blank" \
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">alex.pigna@inventati.org \
</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">-----BEGIN PGP \
SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>Christopher Blauvelt ha scritto:<br> > \
The only problem with having the file downloaded to a temporary <br>> directory \
is<br>> that if it's a really large file, like 1GB, then you need to have \
twice<br>> that<br>> space in order to actually download the \
file. This normally isn't a<br>> problem<br>> unless you're getting \
to the end of your hard drive and you have a large <br>> file but it's happened to \
me and was VERY frustrating. How many bytes are<br>> required for the \
file detection? If it's not that much it would be<br>> possible<br>> \
to download the bytes to a buffer for file detection and then flush those <br>> \
bytes to the file location.<br>><br>><br>> On 10/2/06, Rafael Fernández \
López <<a href="mailto:ereslibre@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ereslibre@gmail.com </a>> \
wrote:<br>>><br>>> From my point of view, extensions are not trustable. \
An executable file <br>>> can be extensioned as JPG. I think the tmp folder, \
type file study and<br>>> dialog message is the best \
option.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> >> Visit <a \
href="http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub" target="_blank" \
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub</a> to<br>>> unsubscribe \
<<<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>> \
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href="http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub" target="_blank" \
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub
</a> to unsubscribe <<<br>How may bytes? To check a file signature it may be \
enough to dl 1K, but <br>we were talking about putting _similar_ files in the same \
folder. And<br>the similarity can be found only if the whole file is analyzed i \
think.<br>anyway, to be realistic, download from http/ftp (i think we are talking \
<br>about those protocol primarly) up to 1GB are not common. To exchange<br>large \
files, like linux distro, bittorrent is now the most common<br>method, so it shoul \
not be a concern here. We can always offer the user<br> a choice: if the file is \
larger that a certain threshold, we alert him <br>that is better not to analyze the \
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