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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: KDE Linux/BSD distribution
From:       Christoph Wiesen <chris () deadhand ! com>
Date:       2004-10-26 19:00:54
Message-ID: 200410262100.54548.chris () deadhand ! com
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Hello,

I really think Debian is the best start for such a project. And the Kalyxo 
efforts will be of more help building a KDE-centric distribution than you 
could ask for.
Sure I would like to say that Ark Linux or something similar would be the way 
to go, but reinventing the wheel over and over again can be a very 
overwhelming task. I don't think ark is bad by any means (though it has it's 
controversies like the thing they do (did?) with root because of the 
Windows-like nature) just that it's much-more work than what would be needed 
to build THE KDE Desktop.

I'd say with enough people (not that much at all I think) and enthusiasm the 
Kalyxo team could produce a really great Debian KDE Desktop that installs 
from CD very quick (Live CD or Debian-Installer). All the necessary desktop 
components would come from the Kalyxo specific CD and the user still can use 
thousands of well tested server like packages from debian - like samba and 
nfs and so on, that are of use on most home desktops as well but don't have 
to be re-done by the same team that does the desktop).

I'm very much in the same situation as the thread starter - I'd love to see 
this happen and really would like to do something about it. It's just that I 
don't have all the knowledge I want to and i learn some things slower than 
I'd like to.
Ok right now time is a problem as well, but that will be ok in a month. But 
then what? It's really intimidating to think about creating a whole 
installation CD / knoppix version (not the best solution) even if I know 
exactly what I would want... KDE / Debian / Kalyxo ... all these elements 
would be part, yet fitting them together... well, it's really overwhelming.
But we will see, maybe I will learn how to create kde debs that have some 
settings altered to saner defaults out of the box... meaning that everyone 
who installs from those debs will get a default configuration of Konqueror 
where there are no copy, paste, print icons on the toolbar and that uses 
Plastik as the default theme.

Those two are just simple examples, but that's what i will have to learn - how 
make those the fixed defaults and not a per-user setting (it would be 
changeable of course, just as it is now - just another default).

Ok, I'm going off topic here it seems.
Anyway if enough people with interests like this get together it should be 
possible to have something usable in a real short time. To me it always seems 
important to focus on having a _useable_ system for as long or as often as 
possible. By that i mean that it should not be necessary to reach absolute 
perection and have 100% of your goals fullfilled until the public can access 
the work. If it's done right and in small steps imo that's the best thing - 
because the base is already there (debian) all it needs is some polish.

Cheers,
Chris


Am Tuesday, 26. October 2004 09:56 schrieb Christian Mueller:
> Am Dienstag, 26. Oktober 2004 09:08 schrieb Stefan Kombrink:
> > Sounds great for me, and it even might push KDE development.
> >
> > What user group are you addressing?
> > Linux newbies would need a lot of support, and since advanced Linux users
> > tend to use lots of software this won't appeal to them.
> > Let me say what I'm suggesting:
> >  * create a Distribution for newbies
> >  * tweaked Debian-Installer, this thing is awesome!
> >  * Possibility to switch between "newbie" and "expert" when using KDE.
> >    So you could provide easy access in the beginning, and keeping the
> >    users the line after turning into more experienced users
> >  * Use "apt" or "aptitude" for installing, underlying packaging format
> > could be any (I suggest .deb)
> >  * Stability is prior to Eye-Candy
> >  * working around known bugs, even by means of disabling functionality
> > (don't want users to see drKonqui)
> >
> > I'm in although not as project leader. I never built a linux
> > distributions. Keep me informed since I might miss something :)
>
> That sounds related to what the kalyxo project is doing:
> http://www.kalyxo.org/
>
> They plan to make CD releases based on the debian installer, too:
> http://www.kalyxo.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CdRelease
>
> Christian.
 
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