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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Reports from Brazilian Open Software Conference 2003 (long)
From:       "Avi" <avi () alkalay ! net>
Date:       2003-06-10 6:00:35
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I don't know.... All I said was what I've heard around here.
I think maybe Ximian built a lot of mind-share. Their "business" is the
desktop.
I don't know any company that has KDE as it's main strategy, even not The
Kompany (as far as I know).
I'm sure SuSE (and Conectiva with a bigger effort) can provide KDE
support, but I think this is mind-share issue....

Ximian has a plus: Evolution.
I'm not a mail-client hacker, but KMail allways missed some nice-to-have
feature: S/MIME (where is Aegypten!?!?!??), HTML editing, etc. And I was
never able to run IMAP without headaches on KMail. Also, it doesn't work
behind a socks server, which makes it useless for any IBMer. I would love
to use KMail.......

Anyway, almost everybody at IBM that runs a Linux desktop, runs KDE.
And talking to the tech folks at our Linux labs, most of them agree: KDE
is superior.

Regards,
Avi

On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:52:39 -0400, "Patrick Julien"
<freak@codepimps.org> said:
> Have you investigated all your options?  I can't believe that Suse or
> Mandrake 
> would not be willing to provide this.
> 
> On June 9, 2003 03:57 pm, Aviram Alkalay wrote:
> > Helio, KDE-Developes, etc,
> > I'm a kind of KDE contributer also in Brazil. Soon CVS will receive some
> > pieces of code I'm working on.
> >
> > At a corporate level, here at IBM we are talking about a global desktop
> > support offering, but it is mostly based on Ximian (read Gnome).
> > To let us say we globally "support a Linux Desktop", we need somebody to
> > give us 3rd level support, somebody to call when a customer have a problem
> > and a commitment that there is somebody to look and fix the bug. We (or a
> > customer) can't depend on the kde-devel mailing list.
> > From this perspective, Ximian represents a corporate endpoint for it, with
> > solutions like red-carpet, etc. We can also sign a support contract with
> > them.
> >
> > I noticed there is a KDE::Enterprise initiative, but they look to me as
> > inexpressive from a corporate perspective. I mean people that can come and
> > talk in a business level with business people saying "sign this contract
> > and I'll give you support", not just developers saying "subscribe this
> > mailling list and you'll have free support from the source".
> >
> > Personaly, I prefer KDE, and I believe it is a much more integrated,
> > smooth and advanced desktop for the final user. I want KDE to be the
> > winner of the Linux desktop (or any desktop). But a corporate commitment
> > is vital.
> >
> > As an example, few day ago I reported a design problem (bug #59285)
> > regarding 100% unaccessible files when their names are non-UTF-8 encoded.
> > Many developers understood the severity but the position was "this is
> > mainly unsupported, and will fix when we'll have time". I'm not blaming
> > them, because I understand. But this is the kind of problem a company can't
> > stand without help. There is many ways to workaround this particular
> > situation, but I'm talking about the approach to the problem, and not the
> > problem per-se.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Avi
> >
> >
> >
> > Avi Alkalay <avi at br.ibm.com> :: SW & IT Architect
> > LA Linux Impact Team :: IBM Brazil :: http://ibm.com/linux
> > Tel: +55 11 2132-2327 | Mobile: 9659-9059 | Tie: 842-2327
> >
> > :: Think Open : Think Linux ::
> >
> > ----- Forwarded by Aviram Alkalay/Brazil/IBM on 09/06/2003 16:24 -----
> >
> >
> > "Avi" <avi@alkalay.net>
> > 09/06/2003 16:17
> >
> >
> >         To:     Aviram Alkalay/Brazil/IBM@IBMBR
> >         cc:
> >         Subject:        Fwd: Reports from Brazilian Open Software
> > Conference 2003 (long)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original message -----
> > From: "Helio Chissini de Castro" <helio@conectiva.com.br>
> > To: kde-core-devel@kde.org
> > Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:22:03 -0300
> > Subject: Reports from Brazilian Open Software Conference 2003 (long)
> >
> > Hello all..
> >
> > I'm just back from my journey ( closed airports, delay, no lunch, etc.. )
> > to
> > Open Software Conference at Rio Grande do Sul, where i did a speach about
> > Corporate Desktop and KDE approach.
> >
> > First, a little excerpt from what this conference represents to Brazil
> > itself.
> > This conference become the major computer conference in Brazil, since the
> > down
> > of Comdex Brazil and Fenasoft, and in last two years they earn a strong
> > political side, since Brazilian government is strong turned to Open
> > software.
> > It happen's every year in the same place, Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do
> > Sul,
> > where is a strong GNU/Linux nest, and barelly all Gnome centric. To
> > finish
> > excerpt, just mention that the guy who leads Rio Grande government
> > software
> > project, Marcelo Branco, is now invited to assume all Brazilian
> > government
> > software project, antd he is a "just Gnome" guy indeed.
> >
> > So, after 4 hours delay in my flight, a arrived at Porto Alegre and
> > barely
> > have time to eat something and goes to conference. Today, the last day,
> > is
> > considered the "Gnome Day", since Mr. Icaza was going to do two speachs
> > in
> > the main room ( 600 places ), and the first one was happen just an hour
> > before i arrived. To mention, no seats are empty. A comment: Icaza is
> > kind of
> > a mytical God there. Is really a star to this people.
> > When i got my id's, i just go to V.I.P. room, closed to speach guys.
> > After i
> > just turn on my notebook, and start read mail., Mr. Icaza comes to my
> > surprise and seat aside me to do the same. I tried, i really tried change
> > some words with him, but you know how must be hard speak to a God must
> > be,
> > hardly when the guy REALLY act as one.. For a few moments i'm feeling a
> > bit
> > unpleased with everything, despite the good treatment gave me by the
> > staff.
> > After harsh talk with Miguel ( KDE is not interesting, Gnome will be won
> > in
> > the next version, Mono i seven times better than pnet, yada, yada, yada
> > ),
> > was the time to front the real treat, Mr. Marcelo Branco ( from
> > government ).
> > I barely talk with him, but after some talk, i figure out that to put our
> > beloved KDE in, we will need do things from a different way..
> > That's what i start to did in that moment..
> > I was prepared a small old notebook P2-300 Mhz, 64Mb , with new Conectiva
> > Linux, to prove to everyone that's be  possible run our distro, and most
> > of
> > all, KDE in a simple machine.
> > And to show new features, package fom CVS HEAD 4/06/2003, including
> > Gideon and
> > Quanta.
> > So, when i arrive at my speach room, how surprise i'm am about having
> > almost
> > all seats ( 100 ) full, and after i start, just a few leave during the
> > speach. So, hard responsibility, things must work and i had to be
> > delicately
> > about talk with many Gnome Hun Hords in the room too, showing just KDE
> > itself, and avoiding any comparison. Thanks God, evrything goes allright,
> > and
> > no Krash appears during the 1 hour speach, despite some slowness due a
> > little
> > mem, and surprisely, i got some of crowd to participate from the speach.
> > But, what i really mention above about which steps we ( at Brazil ) will
> > need
> > do to put KDE in our gov. i did in the early beginning and the end of my
> > speach.
> > In the beginning, when i'm introducing myself, i spoke about the three
> > only
> > Brazilian KDE developers ( me, Roberto and Thiago ), and mention that we
> > have
> > a lot of difficult to reach developers here to help. I really touched
> > some
> > guys in this moment, but the "piece of resistance" comes in the end
> > Questions
> > time.
> > A corporate guy that watching my speach ask me this question:
> > - "In this conference government stated that 2004 will be the Open
> > Software
> > year to Brazil. I want to know if KDE will be there at this time.."
> > - This is the clue that i was waiting. My response was directly. We want,
> > we
> > really need, but now, we are three and some translators. We will do all
> > efforts to walk with this moment, but if we didn't have more local help,
> > will
> > be dificult...
> > After, many people come to me to ask some more directly question about
> > speach
> > talks, but i really earn the day when i walked on the conference
> > showrooms,
> > and listening a lot of people talking well about my speach, and more, i
> > believe that i earn one or two newest possible developers.. My first move
> > will be completly done when the hears of KDE speach reach in the Gov.
> > guys
> > ears.. And more, i reach this without using any usual Win/Gnome attacks
> > that
> > some guys usually use.
> > Just to mention, at the end of my speach, this guys ( Gov. guys ) are at
> > main
> > room conference again with Miguel de Icaza in a really boring Mono
> > speach,
> > for about 500 people :-P
> >
> > I really don't know if i'm a little emotive now, but in the plane backing
> > home
> > i really felt that had a great day to both Conectiva and KDE project..
> > More
> > days like this must come :-)
> >
> > --
> > Helio Castro
> > KDE Developer
> > Development Conectiva S.A.
> >
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> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > Avi Alkalay <avi at alkalay.net>
> > +55 11 3673-4209 | 9659-9059
> > Think Open :: Think Linux
> 
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