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List:       kde-debian
Subject:    Re: back from LinuxTag...
From:       Alexander Neundorf <neundorf () kde ! org>
Date:       2004-06-27 12:48:43
Message-ID: 200406271448.43826.neundorf () kde ! org
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Hi,

On Sunday 27 June 2004 11:07, Torsten Rahn wrote:
> > This time the boxes where plain suse 9.1 with kde 3.2.1, with a very
>
> limited
>
> SUSE 9.1 with KDE 3.2.2 and a Debian demo point with KDE 3.2.3 in addition.
>
> > amount of installed applications (kdevelop only on the development demo
> > machine, koffice only on the koffice demo machine
...

> This was available at the "KDE - the integrated desktop" demopoint. I don't
> see much need having it available at the "KDevelop" demopoint e.g.

Yes, I know that the different apps where available on the different machines.
But most of the visitors who talked to me, wheren't so specific. Many just 
wanted to see what linux can provide nowadays.
Then there were also some people interested in software development, but most 
of the time the development demo point was already occupied :-/
On the "integrative" machine there weren't event the development man pages 
installed. A visitor came (who just started to develop under linux) and was 
looking for some advice with some programming problem (not kde related at 
all). I could't event show him the man page of the issue he wanted to know 
something about (I entered "#select" and the error "KDE man viewer error" 
appeared -> bad impression). I could have shown him how easy it is to use 
e.g. kdevelop or something. This would have made a very good impression to 
him (hey, there are kde people but they even help me with completely kde 
unrelated problems)

So IMO having the complete set of stuff installed (and nevertheless trying to 
focus on one topic) would be better.

Stable vs. head: many people come and ask "what brand new stuff do you have ?"
We couldn't show them. Having both available, but defaulting to the stable one 
and just starting the unstable on request would be ok IMO.
At least always having one box with HEAD would be a good idea.

Specialized demo machines: the web development and the pim machines were ok. 
The term "integrative desktop" doesn't mean much to the average user, and even 
less to linux-newbies, showing them Mozilla and OOo with KDE icons and 
widgets doesn't impress the average user much, since he doesn't know about 
the technical issues. I told them: "here is OOo, as you see it looks like a 
KDE app, and I can even type text in it." Hmm. 
The accessibility machine was also way too specialized. Accessibility is an 
important issue, but mostly for the people who need these features. Showing 
that we can have wide borders with kwin is boring (except if you are one of 
the people who need this feature). The mouse tool is ok and KMouth nice to 
demo. Still it should have e.g. koffice, kdepim and kdevelop.

Also playing videos on a machine attracts visitors a lot, and stuff like 
karamba would probably also be a big eye catcher.

> > -development environment (gcc and friends, cvs, vim, emacs, joe,
> > kdevelop, qt designer, ...)
>
> no. - except for the development demo point

I understand your reasoning. Nevertheless kdevelop 3 and Qt designer are very 
important and good apps, especially since from time to time there are 
visitors who want to develop under linux.  

Ok, back to topic: creating a debian install cd which could be used for all/
many such events would be a good thing, I think. Something to show the best 
and coolest kde stuff.

Bye
Alex
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