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List:       kde-debian
Subject:    Re: from kde-integrative to freedesktop.org...
From:       Alexander Neundorf <neundorf () kde ! org>
Date:       2004-02-04 16:50:24
Message-ID: 200402041750.24226.neundorf () kde ! org
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On Wednesday 04 February 2004 08:41, Philippe Fremy wrote:
> > "our stuff" should include everything related to using the facilities/
> > features/widgets of one DE/toolkit in a "foreign" environment.
> > I.e. kde widgets for ooo, the Qt theme for gtk, the Qt event loop in gtk
> > apps, kde-look for mozilla, kioslaves for everybody, but also the other
> > way round, gtk themes for Qt, maybe kparts-bonobo related things.
> >
> > How about "Cross Toolkit Development",  short ctd ?
> > Sounds friendly also for gtk developers.
> >
> > Important: who wants to create and maintain the web site ?
>
> The one I started still seem pretty good to me (although unfinished)  :-) :
>
> http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=KDE%2C+the+integrative+desktop

Yes, it's really not bad.
But it's hosted on the kde wiki pages. I never visited this site before, and I 
guess that's true for many other people. An own homepage will get more 
publicity.
And we need a mailinglist where we can gather all the people working on stuff 
like this. I will contact them via direct email as soon as we have one.

> The only thing I am concerned about hosting it on freedesktop is that we
> might not be able to be as liberal as we wish about what we display. If you
> call it Cross Toolkit Development and the whole thing is about improving
> KDE, that's not good.

I understand what you mean, but I think we should consider this open for all 
cross-toolkit projects (even if there are currently no others). I'll even 
write an invitation email to the gtk/gnome development mailing lists.

> I am not aware of any gtk themes for Qt, nore kparts-bonobo related thing.

But it would be a good thing if there was something.
I guess most people working on such stuff have similar issues to solve.

> I am under the impression that Gnome people run no KDE application, and are
> thus less concerned about integrating KDE than we are about integrating
> Gnome or OpenOffice.

If they don't want to take part, it's not our problem.

> My personal feeling is that what can be used outside KDE should be hosted
> on fd.org: fuse and QtGtk. The other things (Qt themes for Gtk, icons, ...)
> should stay in KDE as they are really KDE specific. On the other hand, that
> would mean splitting the hosting which is never good.

Yes.

> All in all, I would prefer to keep it in KDE until a similar effort appears
> on the Gnome front, which would give us a hint that we should move it to
> fd.org. But, if we move directly to fd.org, we are giving an incentive for
> creating a similar effort on the Gnome side.

Not a similar effort, but joining our effort. This is made easier for them by 
not using "KDE" or "Qt" in the title.

Bye
Alex
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