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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: Possible Feature.
From:       Roberto Alsina <ralsina () unl ! edu ! ar>
Date:       2000-01-26 15:41:00
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Mosfet wrote:

Gee this discussion is verbose :-)


> Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Mosfet wrote:
> > 
> > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Mosfet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, I guess, but I don't know it it would really be good in KDE if I
> > > > > understand correctly. The problems are first many apps have several
> > > > > toolbars by default and having only one docked I think would be
> > > > > confusing,
> > > >
> > > > Let's make some measurements :-)
> > > > Anything that can go into two rows of a average size window can go into a
> > > > side toolbar, according to my measuring tape (and my guessing of what a
> > > > average width window is ;-)
> > > >
> > > > If there are even more toolbars, they can be stacked at the side too. They
> > > > will still be easier to reach than if they are stacked into the window
> > > > (but I'm not 100% sure)
> > > >
> > > > > and second is that the Mac menu is on the left and the
> > > > > toolbar on the right. There would not be space for both on low-res
> > > > > displays for some large apps I believe - although I haven't checked.
> > > >
> > > > Of course in low resolution, the toolbars on the window leave you with a
> > > > poststamp-size working space, too :-)
> > > >
> > > > On the side, the toolbars could have a meaningful autohide mechanism,
> > > > much better than collapsing them in the window.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Are you talking about vertically aligned? I don't like that at all.
> > 
> > Hey, I have no strong opinions, I'm just thiking :-)
> > I suppose the user could arrange them in more or less the same way he
> > arranges them now, only the bars would be vertical by default.
> > 
> > Either attach the bars one below the other (continuing the strip) or
> > attach them one to the side of the other, forming a multi-column thing.
> > 
> > Some less important toolbars could even be collapsed into buttons at, say,
> > the lower right column, growing vertically.
> > 
> 
> I don't have particularly strong opinions on it myself ;-) Where I am
> coming from is I think it would be cool if on large displays you can
> "dock" a toolbar into the mac menubar. KLaunchPad had a mode like where
> it could display it's buttons in tiny mode on the right of the menubar.
> But our toolbars are too big for that.

Yes, they are, and it's a pity.
Of course we could attach them to the bottom of the global menubar, but I
don't see what that would buy us.

> > > > > Another idea I saw mentioned on one of these lists I liked is a
> > > > > universal status window that contains status messages of all the apps.
> > > > > Could be useful for paying attention to what is going on in windows on
> > > > > other desktops. I don't think this should replace the application
> > > > > specific statusbar since you want to be able see the last message in a
> > > > > specific window, but would be a cool supplement, maybe implemented via
> > > > > dcop calls in KStatusBar.
> > > >
> > > > I am not so sure about this. After all, what is it going to show?
> > > > If it will show the state of the current window, you can see it on, well,
> > > > the current window :-)
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, the messages sent to all statusbars via changeItem and message. That
> > > way you can see when a window on another desktop displays text in it's
> > > statusbar.
> > 
> > And how does one know who said what? Window caption displayed at the side?
> 
> Sure :) That way you can see when a long operation has finished on
> another desk.

Sounds useful. Although there is a problem about important rare messages
being quickly deleted by unimportant but frecuent ones.

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