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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    RE: More thoughts about embedding
From:       weis <weis () stud ! uni-frankfurt ! de>
Date:       1999-09-30 15:29:26
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Hi,

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, David Faure wrote:

> > On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, David Faure wrote:
> > >I think we are mixing issues.
> > >
> > >(The first part replies especially to Reggie's "embedding 
> > doesn't work in
> > >koffice anyway")
> > >
> > >Sure, embedding doesn't work well in koffice currently,
> > >but konqueror is the living proof that embedding can work 
> > really fine.
> > >And you'll notice that it works very well with 'local views'
> > >(icon, html, text, ...) and somewhat well with remote views,
> > >(kview, ...) but not as well. Why ? Because servers are bad, 
> > > I already said that.
> > 
> > My biggest concern here is not only stableness, but also 
> > speed. In konqy you will not have more than a view embedded 
> > parts, but in a koffice doc I can imagine 50 embedded parts. 
> 
> Yes and no.
> konqueror, even at startup, already uses embedding. It uses it
> for ANY view you can see in it. In koffice, the native view isn't embedded.

Not really. It was all the time and it sucked. So i wrote a hack
to avoid it.

> Sure, in a document you can go up to 50 embedded parts if you
> want, but AFAIK, even under Windows nobody does it. But

RIGHT! Nobody does it because it sucks. Is that a reason for
us to make it suck, too ?

> let's not argue on numbers it's pointless.
> My main point (and yours, remember) _is_ about stableness.
> About slowness, that's where we need to keep working on, and 
> I'm pretty sure cuteidl + tinymico + shared libs instead of remote processes
> can make a huge difference.

Then you must tell me what CORBA is good for when you want to
links in libs anyway ....
 
> The design of openparts does NOT make embedding broken, otherwise it
> wouldn't work in konqueror. But there's something broken in the way koffice
> does embedding, and we need to fix it.

Konqueror is not demanding in regards to embedding, printing, focus
handling etc. Dont compare Koffice with konqui. It is a lot different.

Bye
Torben
 
> --
> David Faure
> faure@kde.org - KDE developer
> david@mandrakesoft.com - Mandrake
> david.faure@cramer.co.uk - Cramer Systems
> 
> 

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