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List:       kde-core-devel
Subject:    Re: The handle arrows in kicker (was kicker applets usability)
From:       Craig Drummond <cpdrummond () freeuk ! com>
Date:       2001-12-12 16:01:54
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> I'd say an ugly but working solution is better than the other way 
round.
> 

Hmm... What's the point of having lots of eye-candy (which KDE seems to 
be getting more and
more of), if it starts cluttering up the screen
with ugly hacks? And surely GUIs should also be
attractive - else wht have themes?

> As far as I were able to see, the arrow succeeds at symbolizing some 
kind of 
> hidden, more advanced functionality which can be triggered by a click.
At 
> least I noticed that many people who wonder how to remove an applet 
click on 
> the arrow, although they don't know whether it'll gain them anything.

> 
> Of course something more "intuitive" would be better, but I cannot 
see any 
> more suitable solution to the problem using only so little screen 
space at 
> the moment.
> 
> We use arrow buttons all over the place (to move Kicker in and out of 
the 
> screen, for example), and people seem to assume that something 
happens when 
> clicking on such an arrow, or at least pointing it it.  I guess the 
arrow 
> resembles the same paradigm as the arrow on the K-Menu button does.
> 
> Before we had those arrows, I had a hard time telling people that 
there is 
> something clickable in an applet (other than the applet's body). 
Explaining 
> that there is an applet handle triggered tons of questionmarks from 
the 
> users' side.

I can agree with all of this - but it still looks
horrible. I also dislike the tear-off menu stuff,
again this just looks nasty - I hated it when I
saw it on Gtk apps, and thought "thank god KDE
doesn't do that"... I still can't think of a
signel good reason for tear of menus - they take
up screen and kicker space...

Still, I'd like options to remove this. But I can
also see KDE getting *way* to many options for
stuff like this...

> 
> - Frerich
> 
> P.S.: I'd really appreciate it if you (Craig) could adjust your email 

> client's configuration so that it doesn't use those ugly linebreaks.
> 

Sorry I'm using a web-based email client - so I
can't configure this...

Ciao

Craig.
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