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List:       kde-community
Subject:    Re: Proposal: Mailing List owner policy
From:       Ingo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kl=F6cker?= <kloecker () kde ! org>
Date:       2020-07-28 7:23:26
Message-ID: 4950404.zoqPXhJ69I () breq
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Hi Valorie,

On Dienstag, 28. Juli 2020 04:37:32 CEST Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> Hi Ingo,
> 
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:59 AM Ingo Klöcker <kloecker@kde.org> wrote:
> > On Sonntag, 26. Juli 2020 18:31:08 CEST Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > > An even bigger question, I'm afraid. When nobody steps up, what would we
> > > do? I wouldn't mind "moderating" this list today, for instance, since I
> > > found the time to read it. But I for one would not *commit* myself to
> > > moderate it or any other; I just don't have the required availability
> > > and if I had, I wouldn't guarantee I would remain available.
> > 
> > I'm sorry, but I have the feeling that you are making too much of a fuss
> > about
> > this. Maybe you are misunderstanding what "moderating" entails. Or maybe I
> > misunderstood for years what moderation of a mailing list entails.
> > 
> > I am owner of one mailing list and moderator of another. Moderation of the
> > second mailing list is restricted to the moderation of posts that are held
> > for
> > moderation mostly because those post come from unsubscribed senders (99 %
> > of
> > this is SPAM). I'm not even subscribed to the second mailing list. I don't
> > see
> > moderation of legit posts (i.e. posts that are not held for moderation) as
> > my
> > task. This kind of moderation costs almost no time.
> 
> It's true that it costs each of us listowners/moderators "no time" per
> list. Albert's point is what happens when such people disappear? While it
> may seem like easy work that "anyone" can do, it can be like people
> throwing litter into the trashcan instead of into the street. Each such act
> takes a mere second, but when it is not done, there are mounds of garbage
> (spam).
> 
> If all of us listowner/moderators see ourselves as part of the list *team*,
> then we can cover for one another, and recruit new team members when
> necessary. I don't see this as a "fuss" but more about turning a small
> problem into a small plus for the KDE community.

What I perceived as a "fuss" was Philippe's proposals about measuring 
moderator activity, setting a time limit, marking unmoderated relayed 
messages, etc.

I'd prefer a much more down-to-earth approach and I can see a regular (e.g. 
quarter-yearly) message to moderators to check whether they are still active 
and a mailing list for moderators as useful tools.

Regards,
Ingo

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