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Subject: Re: Proposal: Mailing List owner policy
From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman () gmail ! com>
Date: 2020-07-28 2:37:32
Message-ID: CACpu024EPgA796U9Lr8zT4Eb-gUawE4CWua18SPneA0n0ovQ5A () mail ! gmail ! com
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Hi Ingo,
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:59 AM Ingo Klöcker <kloecker@kde.org> wrote:
> On Sonntag, 26. Juli 2020 18:31:08 CEST Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > An even bigger question, I'm afraid. When nobody steps up, what would we
> > do? I wouldn't mind "moderating" this list today, for instance, since I
> > found the time to read it. But I for one would not *commit* myself to
> > moderate it or any other; I just don't have the required availability
> > and if I had, I wouldn't guarantee I would remain available.
>
> I'm sorry, but I have the feeling that you are making too much of a fuss
> about
> this. Maybe you are misunderstanding what "moderating" entails. Or maybe I
> misunderstood for years what moderation of a mailing list entails.
>
> I am owner of one mailing list and moderator of another. Moderation of the
> second mailing list is restricted to the moderation of posts that are held
> for
> moderation mostly because those post come from unsubscribed senders (99 %
> of
> this is SPAM). I'm not even subscribed to the second mailing list. I don't
> see
> moderation of legit posts (i.e. posts that are not held for moderation) as
> my
> task. This kind of moderation costs almost no time.
>
> Regards,
> Ingo
>
It's true that it costs each of us listowners/moderators "no time" per
list. Albert's point is what happens when such people disappear? While it
may seem like easy work that "anyone" can do, it can be like people
throwing litter into the trashcan instead of into the street. Each such act
takes a mere second, but when it is not done, there are mounds of garbage
(spam).
If all of us listowner/moderators see ourselves as part of the list *team*,
then we can cover for one another, and recruit new team members when
necessary. I don't see this as a "fuss" but more about turning a small
problem into a small plus for the KDE community.
Valorie
--
http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Ingo, </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div \
dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:59 AM Ingo Klöcker <<a \
href="mailto:kloecker@kde.org">kloecker@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sonntag, 26. Juli 2020 18:31:08 CEST Philippe \
Cloutier wrote:<br> > An even bigger question, I'm afraid. When nobody steps \
up, what would we<br> > do? I wouldn't mind "moderating" this list \
today, for instance, since I<br> > found the time to read it. But I for one would \
not *commit* myself to<br> > moderate it or any other; I just don't have the \
required availability<br> > and if I had, I wouldn't guarantee I would remain \
available.<br> <br>
I'm sorry, but I have the feeling that you are making too much of a fuss about \
<br> this. Maybe you are misunderstanding what "moderating" entails. Or \
maybe I <br> misunderstood for years what moderation of a mailing list entails.<br>
<br>
I am owner of one mailing list and moderator of another. Moderation of the <br>
second mailing list is restricted to the moderation of posts that are held for <br>
moderation mostly because those post come from unsubscribed senders (99 % of <br>
this is SPAM). I'm not even subscribed to the second mailing list. I don't \
see <br> moderation of legit posts (i.e. posts that are not held for moderation) as \
my <br> task. This kind of moderation costs almost no time.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Ingo<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div>It's true that it costs each of us \
listowners/moderators "no time" per list. Albert's point is what \
happens when such people disappear? While it may seem like easy work that \
"anyone" can do, it can be like people throwing litter into the trashcan \
instead of into the street. Each such act takes a mere second, but when it is not \
done, there are mounds of garbage (spam). </div><div><br></div><div>If all of us \
listowner/moderators see ourselves as part of the list *team*, then we can cover for \
one another, and recruit new team members when necessary. I don't see this as a \
"fuss" but more about turning a small problem into a small plus for the KDE \
community.</div><div><br></div><div>Valorie</div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="http://about.me/valoriez" \
target="_blank">http://about.me/valoriez</a> - pronouns: \
she/her<br><br><br></div></div></div></div>
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