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Subject: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
From: Laszlo Papp <lpapp () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-12-05 12:47:16
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No, one particular party's political propaganda (repeatedly) exceeds
getting to know someone in KDE in my opinion.
Well, with that, if a KDE person does porn, or something else that is
equally extreme, that could also be getting to know the person behind KDE.
I think drawing a false overarching conclusion is wrong. I am calling
particularly out on Brexit (and maybe political) propaganda. I am
personally not against reading a cycling trip in Europe (just an example
from the past) which is not so divisive as politics and Brexit in
particular.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:36 PM Eike Hein <hein@kde.org> wrote:
> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a
> problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a
> community we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality
> from an occasional post. Let's have that trust.
>
> But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've
> laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is
> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus we
> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like having the
> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of
> losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news
> feed, it's a community aggregator.
>
> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post
> is not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up
> with something.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Eike
>
>
>
> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <
> kde@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
>>
>>> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't
>>> currently exist.
>>>
>>
>> I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, because
>> whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other person was
>> allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>> Eike
>>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet
>>>> would
>>>> post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would be
>>>> simply
>>>> overcrowded with it.
>>>>
>>>> Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a
>>>> filter for
>>>> non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, well,
>>>> KDE,
>>>> could filter all that stuff out.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>> Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell:
>>>>
>>>>> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> themselves
>>>>
>>>> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE
>>>>> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> about
>>>>
>>>> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> reason why
>>>>
>>>> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion
>>>>> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> blogs.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want to read it then don't read it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> should be
>>>>
>>>> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> are also
>>>>
>>>> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> developers
>>>>
>>>> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Community,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> but I
>>>>
>>>> can't
>>>>>> find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> chat:
>>>>
>>>>> currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for a
>>>>>> specific
>>>>>> political party. I understand that in these times there are many
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> countries
>>>>
>>>> with heated and important political debates, and some very
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> important
>>>>
>>>> global
>>>>>> topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site.
>>>>>> Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> subject
>>>>
>>>> that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> political news/opinions feed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> KDE, I
>>>>
>>>> go to
>>>>>> planet.kde.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> which of
>>>>
>>>> your
>>>>>> blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> important
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>>> you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it's
>>>>
>>>> hard to
>>>>>> find the content people actually go there for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks and kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
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<div dir="ltr">No, one particular party's political propaganda (repeatedly) \
exceeds getting to know someone in KDE in my opinion.<br><div><br></div><div>Well, \
with that, if a KDE person does porn, or something else that is equally extreme, that \
could also be getting to know the person behind KDE.</div><div><br></div><div>I think \
drawing a false overarching conclusion is wrong. I am calling particularly out on \
Brexit (and maybe political) propaganda. I am personally not against reading a \
cycling trip in Europe (just an example from the past) which is not so divisive as \
politics and Brexit in particular.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div \
dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:36 PM Eike Hein <<a \
href="mailto:hein@kde.org">hein@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>If and when the Planet becomes majority \
political content, that's a problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time \
I would say. As a community we're smart enough to understand that it's a \
different reality from an occasional post. Let's have that trust.<br><br>But let \
me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've laid out is \
not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is different now from back \
then and why we need to review the consensus we already had achieved, which was \
informed by other thoughts like having the Planet be a place where we can get to know \
each other and the cost of losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate \
outlet or a news feed, it's a community aggregator.<br><br>Starting a thread \
because you don't like a particular personal blog post is not meeting the \
necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up with \
something.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On \
December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <<a \
href="mailto:kde@fuchsnet.ch" target="_blank">kde@fuchsnet.ch</a>> \
wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px \
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <pre>Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, \
13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex">But they \
don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that \
doesn't<br>currently exist.<br></blockquote><br>I consider that a tricky argument \
that leads to a slippery slope, because <br>whenever people will at political stuff, \
it will be "but the other person was <br>allowed, too!", so in my opinion \
it's a matter of fairness. <br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex">Cheers,<br>Eike<br></blockquote><br>Kind regards, \
<br><br>Christian <br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex">On December 5, 2019 \
1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <<a href="mailto:kde@fuchsnet.ch" \
target="_blank">kde@fuchsnet.ch</a>> <br></blockquote>wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(173,127,168);padding-left:1ex">For me \
it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet<br>would<br>post \
as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would \
be<br>simply<br>overcrowded with it.<br><br>Given we already have filters for \
languages, maybe there could be a<br>filter for<br>non-KDE stuff, so that people who \
to go planet.kde to read about, well,<br>KDE,<br>could filter all that stuff \
out.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br>Christian<br><br>Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, \
13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex">Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share \
information about<br></blockquote><br>themselves<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex">as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit \
will affect KDE<br>significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that \
talking<br></blockquote><br>about<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex">politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares \
me and is one<br></blockquote><br>reason why<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex">the populists have taken over so much of the \
political discussion<br>currently. I often get people thanking me for my political \
opinion<br></blockquote><br>blogs.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex">If you don't want to read it then don't read \
it.<br><br>The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your \
blog<br></blockquote><br>should be<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex">about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about \
personal subjects<br></blockquote><br>are also<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex">encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn \
more about the<br></blockquote><br>developers<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex">behind KDE." I've never heard anyone \
suggest changes to that rule.<br><br>Jonathan<br><br>On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, \
Christian Loosli <<a href="mailto:kde@fuchsnet.ch" \
target="_blank">kde@fuchsnet.ch</a>><br></blockquote><br>wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">Dear \
Community,<br><br>I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same \
blog,<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>but I<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">can't<br>find it on the mailing list, so I \
assume it happened on forums or<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>chat:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">currently the \
top blog post on <a href="http://planet.kde.org" target="_blank">planet.kde.org</a> \
is about voting for a<br>specific<br>political party. I understand that in these \
times there are many<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>countries<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">with heated and \
important political debates, and some \
very<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>important<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">global<br>topics as well. However, these already \
occupy all the news site.<br>Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a \
political<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>subject<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">that is very \
important to the blogger, <a href="http://planet.kde.org" \
target="_blank">planet.kde.org</a> would be yet<br>another<br>political news/opinions \
feed.<br><br>If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read \
about<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>KDE, I<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">go to<br><a \
href="http://planet.kde.org" target="_blank">planet.kde.org</a>.<br><br>Please dear \
bloggers: there are categories, and you can \
choose<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>which of<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">your<br>blogs \
do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are \
very<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>important<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">to<br>you and \
obviously you are free to blog about them, but please \
keep<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>the<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex"><a \
href="http://planet.kde.org" target="_blank">planet.kde.org</a> feed free of it, so \
it doesn't become a mess \
where<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>it's<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(138,226,52);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">hard to<br>find \
the content people actually go there for.<br><br>Thanks and kind \
regards,<br><br>Christian<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br><br><br><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- \
<br>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my \
brevity.</div></blockquote></div>
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