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Subject: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
From: Eike Hein <hein () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-12-05 12:44:09
Message-ID: 88B543C8-6D85-4AD5-B88A-F7C44DE43F18 () kde ! org
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I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE community \
an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us.
Cheers,
Eike
On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli \
<kde@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
> Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that
> particular blog
> post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in
> general that
> things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to
> find
> projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic (insert
> controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, ... I'm sure
> every
> country and region has its fair share) because you originally came to
> these
> places for something other than politics.
>
> As the bar has a different height for different people, I already made
> a
> suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we
> already
> allow to filter by language.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Christian
>
> Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> > If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a
> problem
> > we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a
> community
> > we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from
> an
> > occasional post. Let's have that trust.
> >
> > But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical
> you've
> > laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is
> > different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus
> we
> > already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like
> having the
> > Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of
> > losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a
> news
> > feed, it's a community aggregator.
> >
> > Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog
> post is
> > not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up
> with
> > something.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Eike
> >
> > On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli
> <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> wrote:
> > > Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> > > > But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem
> that
> > >
> > > doesn't
> > >
> > > > currently exist.
> > >
> > > I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope,
> > > because
> > > whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other
> > > person was
> > > allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness.
> > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Eike
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > > On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli
> > >
> > > <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on
> > >
> > > planet
> > >
> > > > > would
> > > > > post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet
> would
> > >
> > > be
> > >
> > > > > simply
> > > > > overcrowded with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be
> a
> > > > > filter for
> > > > > non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about,
> > >
> > > well,
> > >
> > > > > KDE,
> > > > > could filter all that stuff out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Christian
> > > > >
> > > > > Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan
> > >
> > > Riddell:
> > > > > > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information
> about
> > > > >
> > > > > themselves
> > > > >
> > > > > > as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect
> KDE
> > > > > > significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that
> > >
> > > talking
> > >
> > > > > about
> > > > >
> > > > > > politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is
> one
> > > > >
> > > > > reason why
> > > > >
> > > > > > the populists have taken over so much of the political
> discussion
> > > > > > currently. I often get people thanking me for my political
> opinion
> > > > >
> > > > > blogs.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you don't want to read it then don't read it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your
> blog
> > > > >
> > > > > should be
> > > > >
> > > > > > about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal
> subjects
> > > > >
> > > > > are also
> > > > >
> > > > > > encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the
> > > > >
> > > > > developers
> > > > >
> > > > > > behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that
> > >
> > > rule.
> > >
> > > > > > Jonathan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Dear Community,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same
> > >
> > > blog,
> > >
> > > > > but I
> > > > >
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on
> forums
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > > > chat:
> > > > > > > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting
> > >
> > > for a
> > >
> > > > > > > specific
> > > > > > > political party. I understand that in these times there are
> many
> > > > >
> > > > > countries
> > > > >
> > > > > > > with heated and important political debates, and some very
> > > > >
> > > > > important
> > > > >
> > > > > > > global
> > > > > > > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news
> site.
> > > > > > > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a
> > >
> > > political
> > >
> > > > > subject
> > > > >
> > > > > > > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would
> be
> > >
> > > yet
> > >
> > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > political news/opinions feed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read
> > >
> > > about
> > >
> > > > > KDE, I
> > > > >
> > > > > > > go to
> > > > > > > planet.kde.org.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can
> choose
> > > > >
> > > > > which of
> > > > >
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are
> very
> > > > >
> > > > > important
> > > > >
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please
> > >
> > > keep
> > >
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess
> > >
> > > where
> > >
> > > > > it's
> > > > >
> > > > > > > hard to
> > > > > > > find the content people actually go there for.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks and kind regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christian
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<html><head></head><body>I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on \
making the KDE community an escapist outlet where we can hide from the \
world around us.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian \
Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="k9mail">Kindly don't throw in false \
accusations, I don't dislike that particular blog <br>post at all (probably \
it's even mostly my position), I dislike in general that <br>things get \
more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to find \
<br>projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic (insert \
<br>controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, ... I'm sure \
every <br>country and region has its fair share) because you originally \
came to these <br>places for something other than politics. <br><br>As the \
bar has a different height for different people, I already made a \
<br>suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we \
already <br>allow to filter by language. <br><br>Kind regards, \
<br><br>Christian <br><br>Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET \
schrieb Eike Hein:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">If and \
when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a problem<br>we \
can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a \
community<br>we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality \
from an<br>occasional post. Let's have that trust.<br><br>But let me say it \
again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've<br>laid out is not \
a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is<br>different now from \
back then and why we need to review the consensus we<br>already had \
achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like having the<br>Planet be \
a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of<br>losing a \
venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news<br>feed, \
it's a community aggregator.<br><br>Starting a thread because you don't \
like a particular personal blog post is<br>not meeting the necessary bar. \
Let's not prolong it until you come up \
with<br>something.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br>On December 5, 2019 \
1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> \
<br></blockquote>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: \
0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: \
1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">Am Donnerstag, 5. \
Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">But they don't, so your calculation is \
about solving a problem that<br></blockquote><br>doesn't<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">currently exist.<br></blockquote><br>I \
consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery \
slope,<br>because<br>whenever people will at political stuff, it will be \
"but the other<br>person was<br>allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a \
matter of fairness.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: \
0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: \
1ex;">Cheers,<br>Eike<br></blockquote><br>Kind \
regards,<br><br>Christian<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; \
padding-left: 1ex;">On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian \
Loosli<br></blockquote><br><kde@fuchsnet.ch><br><br>wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every \
contributor on<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>planet<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">would<br>post as many articles on politics as e.g. you \
do, the planet would<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>be<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">simply<br>overcrowded with it.<br><br>Given we already \
have filters for languages, maybe there could be a<br>filter for<br>non-KDE \
stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read \
about,<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>well,<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">KDE,<br>could filter all that stuff out.<br><br>Kind \
regards,<br><br>Christian<br><br>Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 \
CET schrieb Jonathan<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>Riddell:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt \
1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">Planet KDE \
exists to allow KDE people to share information \
about<br></blockquote><br>themselves<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will \
affect KDE<br>significantly which is why I include it here. The idea \
that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>talking<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">about<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me \
and is one<br></blockquote><br>reason why<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">the populists have taken over so much of \
the political discussion<br>currently. I often get people thanking me for \
my political opinion<br></blockquote><br>blogs.<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">If you don't want to read it then don't \
read it.<br><br>The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in \
your blog<br></blockquote><br>should be<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog \
posts about personal subjects<br></blockquote><br>are \
also<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex \
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">encouraged since \
Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about \
the<br></blockquote><br>developers<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes \
to that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>rule.<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt \
1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: \
1ex;">Jonathan<br><br>On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli \
<kde@fuchsnet.ch><br></blockquote><br>wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; \
padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Community,<br><br>I'm 100% sure this topic came up \
in the past due to the \
same<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>blog,<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">but I<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt \
1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">can't<br>find \
it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on \
forums<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>or<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">chat:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: \
0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: \
1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">currently the top blog \
post on planet.kde.org is about \
voting<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>for \
a<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt \
1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: \
1ex;">specific<br>political party. I understand that in these times there \
are many<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>countries<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; \
padding-left: 1ex;">with heated and important political debates, and some \
very<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>important<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; \
padding-left: 1ex;">global<br>topics as well. However, these already occupy \
all the news site.<br>Now if every blog appearing on the planet would \
target a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>political<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">subject<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt \
1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">that is very \
important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would \
be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>yet<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt \
1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">another<br>political news/opinions \
feed.<br><br>If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to \
read<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>about<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">KDE, I<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt \
1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">go \
to<br>planet.kde.org.<br><br>Please dear bloggers: there are categories, \
and you can choose<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>which \
of<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">your<br>blogs do show up on the planet. I \
know that some topics are \
very<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>important<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; \
padding-left: 1ex;">to<br>you and obviously you are free to blog about \
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