------TT2H3U9Z9EG1QRR6KWP7YFTOTYBD4N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE community= an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us=2E Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that >particular blog=20 >post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in >general that=20 >things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to >find=20 >projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic (insert=20 >controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, =2E=2E=2E I'm = sure >every=20 >country and region has its fair share) because you originally came to >these=20 >places for something other than politics=2E=20 > >As the bar has a different height for different people, I already made >a=20 >suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we >already=20 >allow to filter by language=2E=20 > >Kind regards,=20 > >Christian=20 > >Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a >problem >> we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say=2E As a >community >> we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from >an >> occasional post=2E Let's have that trust=2E >>=20 >> But let me say it again: We discussed this before=2E The hypothetical >you've >> laid out is not a new one=2E You're not explaining how the situation is >> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus >we >> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like >having the >> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of >> losing a venue for that=2E The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a >news >> feed, it's a community aggregator=2E >>=20 >> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog >post is >> not meeting the necessary bar=2E Let's not prolong it until you come up >with >> something=2E >>=20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Eike >>=20 >> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli >=20 >wrote: >> >Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem >that >> > >> >doesn't >> > >> >> currently exist=2E >> > >> >I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, >> >because >> >whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other >> >person was >> >allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness=2E >> > >> >> Cheers, >> >> Eike >> > >> >Kind regards, >> > >> >Christian >> > >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli >> > >> > >> > >> >wrote: >> >> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on >> > >> >planet >> > >> >> >would >> >> >post as many articles on politics as e=2Eg=2E you do, the planet >would >> > >> >be >> > >> >> >simply >> >> >overcrowded with it=2E >> >> > >> >> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be >a >> >> >filter for >> >> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet=2Ekde to read about, >> > >> >well, >> > >> >> >KDE, >> >> >could filter all that stuff out=2E >> >> > >> >> >Kind regards, >> >> > >> >> >Christian >> >> > >> >> >Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan >> > >> >Riddell: >> >> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information >about >> >> > >> >> >themselves >> >> > >> >> >> as well as their KDE contributions=2E A hard Brexit will affect >KDE >> >> >> significantly which is why I include it here=2E The idea that >> > >> >talking >> > >> >> >about >> >> > >> >> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is >one >> >> > >> >> >reason why >> >> > >> >> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political >discussion >> >> >> currently=2E I often get people thanking me for my political >opinion >> >> > >> >> >blogs=2E >> >> > >> >> >> If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then don=E2=80=99t read it= =2E >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your >blog >> >> > >> >> >should be >> >> > >> >> >> about KDE and your work on KDE=2E Blog posts about personal >subjects >> >> > >> >> >are also >> >> > >> >> >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the >> >> > >> >> >developers >> >> > >> >> >> behind KDE=2E" I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that >> > >> >rule=2E >> > >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >>=20 >> >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli >> >> > >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> > Dear Community, >> >> >> >=20 >> >> >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same >> > >> >blog, >> > >> >> >but I >> >> > >> >> >> > can't >> >> >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on >forums >> > >> >or >> > >> >> >chat: >> >> >> > currently the top blog post on planet=2Ekde=2Eorg is about voti= ng >> > >> >for a >> > >> >> >> > specific >> >> >> > political party=2E I understand that in these times there are >many >> >> > >> >> >countries >> >> > >> >> >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very >> >> > >> >> >important >> >> > >> >> >> > global >> >> >> > topics as well=2E However, these already occupy all the news >site=2E >> >> >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a >> > >> >political >> > >> >> >subject >> >> > >> >> >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet=2Ekde=2Eorg would >be >> > >> >yet >> > >> >> >> > another >> >> >> > political news/opinions feed=2E >> >> >> >=20 >> >> >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these=2E If I want to read >> > >> >about >> > >> >> >KDE, I >> >> > >> >> >> > go to >> >> >> > planet=2Ekde=2Eorg=2E >> >> >> >=20 >> >> >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can >choose >> >> > >> >> >which of >> >> > >> >> >> > your >> >> >> > blogs do show up on the planet=2E I know that some topics are >very >> >> > >> >> >important >> >> > >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please >> > >> >keep >> > >> >> >the >> >> > >> >> >> > planet=2Ekde=2Eorg feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess >> > >> >where >> > >> >> >it's >> >> > >> >> >> > hard to >> >> >> > find the content people actually go there for=2E >> >> >> >=20 >> >> >> > Thanks and kind regards, >> >> >> >=20 >> >> >> > Christian --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------TT2H3U9Z9EG1QRR6KWP7YFTOTYBD4N Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on= making the KDE community an escapist outlet where we can hide from the wor= ld around us=2E


Cheers,
Eike

On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsn= et=2Ech> wrote:
Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dis=
like that particular blog 
post at all (probably it's even mostly my pos=
ition), I dislike in general that 
things get more and more political, s=
o you it's getting really hard to find 
projects and places where you do=
n't have to deal with $topic  (insert 
controversial stuff like Brexit, =
Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, =2E=2E=2E I'm sure every 
country and region h=
as its fair share) because you originally came to these 
places for some=
thing other than politics=2E 

As the bar has a different height for =
different people, I already made a 
suggestion: simply create a category=
 for it and allow to filter, as we already 
allow to filter by language=
=2E 

Kind regards, 

Christian 

Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dez=
ember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
If and when the Planet becomes majority political cont=
ent, that's a problem
we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I wo=
uld say=2E As a community
we're smart enough to understand that it's a d=
ifferent reality from an
occasional post=2E Let's have that trust=2E
=

But let me say it again: We discussed this before=2E The hypothetical y=
ou've
laid out is not a new one=2E You're not explaining how the situati=
on is
different now from back then and why we need to review the consens=
us we
already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like ha=
ving the
Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the c=
ost of
losing a venue for that=2E The Planet is not a corporate outlet o=
r a news
feed, it's a community aggregator=2E

Starting a thread b=
ecause you don't like a particular personal blog post is
not meeting the=
 necessary bar=2E Let's not prolong it until you come up with
something=
=2E


Cheers,
Eike

On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01=
:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet=2Ech> 
wrote:
=

Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schr=
ieb Eike Hein:
But they=
 don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that

doesn't

curren=
tly exist=2E

I consider that a tricky argument that lea=
ds to a slippery slope,
because
whenever people will at political stu=
ff, it will be  "but the other
person was
allowed, too!", so in my op=
inion it's a matter of fairness=2E

Cheers,
Eike

Kind regards,

Ch=
ristian

On December=
 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli

<kde=
@fuchsnet=2Ech>

wrote:
For me it's a r=
ather simple calculation: if every contributor on

planet

would
post as many articles=
 on politics as e=2Eg=2E you do, the planet would

be

simply
overcrowded with it=2E
Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be afilter for
non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet=2Ekde to rea=
d about,

well,

KDE,
could filter all that stuff out=2E

Kind regards,

C=
hristian

Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jon=
athan

Riddell:
<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; bord=
er-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">Planet KDE exists to allow =
KDE people to share information about

themselves
as well as their KDE cont=
ributions=2E A hard Brexit will affect KDE
significantly which is why I =
include it here=2E  The idea that

talking

about

politics is dangerous or anti-social really=
 scares me and is one

reason why

the populists have taken over so much of =
the political discussion
currently=2E I often get people thanking me for=
 my political opinion

blogs=2E

If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then d=
on=E2=80=99t read it=2E

The rule we came up with is "The majority of=
 content in your blog

should be

about KDE and your work on KDE=2E Blog pos=
ts about personal subjects

are also

encouraged since Planet KDE is a chanc=
e to learn more about the

developers

behind KDE=2E"  I've never heard anyo=
ne suggest changes to that

ru=
le=2E

Jonathan

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <=
;kde@fuchsnet=2Ech>

wrote:
De=
ar Community,

I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to th=
e same

blog,
=

but I

can't
find i=
t on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums

or

c=
hat:
currently the top blog post on planet=2Ekde=2E=
org is about voting
=

for a

specific
pol=
itical party=2E I understand that in these times there are many

countries

with heated and =
important political debates, and some very
important

global
topics as well=2E However, =
these already occupy all the news site=2E
Now if every blog appearing on=
 the planet would target a

political

subject

that is very important to the blogger, planet=2Ekde=2Eorg would =
be

yet

another
political news/opinions=
 feed=2E

If I want politics, I go to one of these=2E If I want to re=
ad

about

=
KDE, I

go to
planet=2E= kde=2Eorg=2E

Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can= choose

which of

your
blogs do show up on the planet=2E I know that some topics are ve= ry

important

to=
you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please

keep

the

planet=2Ekde=2Eorg feed free of it= , so it doesn't become a mess

where

it's

hard to
find the content people actually go there for=2E

T= hanks and kind regards,

Christian





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