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Subject: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed
From: Eike Hein <hein () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-12-05 12:36:36
Message-ID: 7B9FB0C0-810F-4237-AA84-C3D4DFAD864B () kde ! org
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If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a problem we can acknowledge \
and deal with at that time I would say. As a community we're smart enough to understand that \
it's a different reality from an occasional post. Let's have that trust.
But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've laid out is not a \
new one. You're not explaining how the situation is different now from back then and why we \
need to review the consensus we already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like \
having the Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of losing a venue \
for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news feed, it's a community aggregator.
Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post is not meeting the \
necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up with something.
Cheers,
Eike
On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> > But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that
> doesn't
> > currently exist.
>
> I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope,
> because
> whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other
> person was
> allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Eike
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Christian
>
> > On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli
> <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> wrote:
> > > For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on
> planet
> > > would
> > > post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would
> be
> > > simply
> > > overcrowded with it.
> > >
> > > Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a
> > > filter for
> > > non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about,
> well,
> > > KDE,
> > > could filter all that stuff out.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan
> Riddell:
> > > > Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about
> > >
> > > themselves
> > >
> > > > as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE
> > > > significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that
> talking
> > >
> > > about
> > >
> > > > politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one
> > >
> > > reason why
> > >
> > > > the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion
> > > > currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion
> > >
> > > blogs.
> > >
> > > > If you don't want to read it then don't read it.
> > > >
> > > > The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog
> > >
> > > should be
> > >
> > > > about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects
> > >
> > > are also
> > >
> > > > encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the
> > >
> > > developers
> > >
> > > > behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that
> rule.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Dear Community,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same
> blog,
> > >
> > > but I
> > >
> > > > > can't
> > > > > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums
> or
> > >
> > > chat:
> > > > > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting
> for a
> > > > > specific
> > > > > political party. I understand that in these times there are many
> > >
> > > countries
> > >
> > > > > with heated and important political debates, and some very
> > >
> > > important
> > >
> > > > > global
> > > > > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site.
> > > > > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a
> political
> > >
> > > subject
> > >
> > > > > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be
> yet
> > > > > another
> > > > > political news/opinions feed.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read
> about
> > >
> > > KDE, I
> > >
> > > > > go to
> > > > > planet.kde.org.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose
> > >
> > > which of
> > >
> > > > > your
> > > > > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very
> > >
> > > important
> > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please
> keep
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess
> where
> > >
> > > it's
> > >
> > > > > hard to
> > > > > find the content people actually go there for.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks and kind regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Christian
--
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<html><head></head><body>If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a \
problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a community we're smart \
enough to understand that it's a different reality from an occasional post. Let's have that \
trust.<br><br>But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've laid \
out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is different now from back then \
and why we need to review the consensus we already had achieved, which was informed by other \
thoughts like having the Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of \
losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news feed, it's a community \
aggregator.<br><br>Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post is \
not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up with \
something.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On December 5, \
2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:<blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="k9mail">Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET \
schrieb Eike Hein:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">But they don't, so your calculation is \
about solving a problem that doesn't<br>currently exist.<br></blockquote><br>I consider that a \
tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, because <br>whenever people will at political \
stuff, it will be "but the other person was <br>allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter \
of fairness. <br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Cheers,<br>Eike<br></blockquote><br>Kind \
regards, <br><br>Christian <br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex \
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM \
GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> <br></blockquote>wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">For me it's a rather simple calculation: if \
every contributor on planet<br>would<br>post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the \
planet would be<br>simply<br>overcrowded with it.<br><br>Given we already have filters for \
languages, maybe there could be a<br>filter for<br>non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go \
planet.kde to read about, well,<br>KDE,<br>could filter all that stuff out.<br><br>Kind \
regards,<br><br>Christian<br><br>Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan \
Riddell:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information \
about<br></blockquote><br>themselves<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">as well as their KDE \
contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE<br>significantly which is why I include it here. \
The idea that talking<br></blockquote><br>about<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">politics \
is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one<br></blockquote><br>reason \
why<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">the populists have taken over so much of the political \
discussion<br>currently. I often get people thanking me for my political \
opinion<br></blockquote><br>blogs.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">If you don't want to read it \
then don't read it.<br><br>The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your \
blog<br></blockquote><br>should be<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">about KDE and your work on \
KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects<br></blockquote><br>are also<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; \
padding-left: 1ex;">encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about \
the<br></blockquote><br>developers<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">behind KDE." I've never \
heard anyone suggest changes to that rule.<br><br>Jonathan<br><br>On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, \
Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch><br></blockquote><br>wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Community,<br><br>I'm 100% sure this \
topic came up in the past due to the same blog,<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>but \
I<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex \
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">can't<br>find it on the mailing \
list, so I assume it happened on forums \
or<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>chat:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt \
0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; \
padding-left: 1ex;">currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for \
a<br>specific<br>political party. I understand that in these times there are \
many<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>countries<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: \
1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid \
#fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">with heated and important political debates, and some \
very<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>important<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: \
1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid \
#fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">global<br>topics as well. However, these already occupy all the \
news site.<br>Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a \
political<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>subject<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: \
1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid \
#fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be \
yet<br>another<br>political news/opinions feed.<br><br>If I want politics, I go to one of \
these. If I want to read about<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>KDE, I<br><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">go to<br>planet.kde.org.<br><br>Please dear \
bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>which \
of<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex \
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">your<br>blogs do show up on the \
planet. I know that some topics are \
very<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>important<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: \
1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid \
#fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">to<br>you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but \
please keep<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>the<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: \
1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid \
#fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess \
where<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>it's<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: \
1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid \
#fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">hard to<br>find the content people actually go there \
for.<br><br>Thanks and kind \
regards,<br><br>Christian<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br><br><br><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- \
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