From kde-community Thu Dec 05 12:36:36 2019 From: Eike Hein Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 12:36:36 +0000 To: kde-community Subject: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed Message-Id: <7B9FB0C0-810F-4237-AA84-C3D4DFAD864B () kde ! org> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-community&m=157554940831728 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------O3C9HJXV0S0XN3ZKEJ5FKFJNAMW415" ------O3C9HJXV0S0XN3ZKEJ5FKFJNAMW415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a problem= we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say=2E As a communit= y we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from an oc= casional post=2E Let's have that trust=2E But let me say it again: We discussed this before=2E The hypothetical you'= ve laid out is not a new one=2E You're not explaining how the situation is = different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus we alr= eady had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like having the Pla= net be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of losing a= venue for that=2E The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news feed, it'= s a community aggregator=2E Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post i= s not meeting the necessary bar=2E Let's not prolong it until you come up w= ith something=2E Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that >doesn't >> currently exist=2E > >I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, >because=20 >whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other >person was=20 >allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness=2E=20 > >> Cheers, >> Eike > >Kind regards,=20 > >Christian=20 >=20 >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli >=20 >wrote: >> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on >planet >> >would >> >post as many articles on politics as e=2Eg=2E you do, the planet would >be >> >simply >> >overcrowded with it=2E >> > >> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a >> >filter for >> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet=2Ekde to read about, >well, >> >KDE, >> >could filter all that stuff out=2E >> > >> >Kind regards, >> > >> >Christian >> > >> >Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan >Riddell: >> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about >> > >> >themselves >> > >> >> as well as their KDE contributions=2E A hard Brexit will affect KDE >> >> significantly which is why I include it here=2E The idea that >talking >> > >> >about >> > >> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one >> > >> >reason why >> > >> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion >> >> currently=2E I often get people thanking me for my political opinion >> > >> >blogs=2E >> > >> >> If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then don=E2=80=99t read it=2E >> >>=20 >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog >> > >> >should be >> > >> >> about KDE and your work on KDE=2E Blog posts about personal subjects >> > >> >are also >> > >> >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the >> > >> >developers >> > >> >> behind KDE=2E" I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that >rule=2E >> >>=20 >> >> Jonathan >> >>=20 >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli >> > >> >wrote: >> >> > Dear Community, >> >> >=20 >> >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same >blog, >> > >> >but I >> > >> >> > can't >> >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums >or >> > >> >chat: >> >> > currently the top blog post on planet=2Ekde=2Eorg is about voting >for a >> >> > specific >> >> > political party=2E I understand that in these times there are many >> > >> >countries >> > >> >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very >> > >> >important >> > >> >> > global >> >> > topics as well=2E However, these already occupy all the news site= =2E >> >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a >political >> > >> >subject >> > >> >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet=2Ekde=2Eorg would be >yet >> >> > another >> >> > political news/opinions feed=2E >> >> >=20 >> >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these=2E If I want to read >about >> > >> >KDE, I >> > >> >> > go to >> >> > planet=2Ekde=2Eorg=2E >> >> >=20 >> >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose >> > >> >which of >> > >> >> > your >> >> > blogs do show up on the planet=2E I know that some topics are very >> > >> >important >> > >> >> > to >> >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please >keep >> > >> >the >> > >> >> > planet=2Ekde=2Eorg feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess >where >> > >> >it's >> > >> >> > hard to >> >> > find the content people actually go there for=2E >> >> >=20 >> >> > Thanks and kind regards, >> >> >=20 >> >> > Christian --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------O3C9HJXV0S0XN3ZKEJ5FKFJNAMW415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If and when the Planet becomes majority political = content, that's a problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I w= ould say=2E As a community we're smart enough to understand that it's a dif= ferent reality from an occasional post=2E Let's have that trust=2E

B= ut let me say it again: We discussed this before=2E The hypothetical you've= laid out is not a new one=2E You're not explaining how the situation is di= fferent now from back then and why we need to review the consensus we alrea= dy had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like having the Plane= t be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of losing a v= enue for that=2E The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news feed, it's = a community aggregator=2E

Starting a thread because you don't like a= particular personal blog post is not meeting the necessary bar=2E Let's no= t prolong it until you come up with something=2E


Cheers,
Eike=



On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM G= MT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet=2Ech> wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schr=
ieb Eike Hein:
But they= don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't
curr= ently exist=2E

I consider that a tricky argument that l= eads to a slippery slope, because
whenever people will at political stu= ff, it will be "but the other person was
allowed, too!", so in my opin= ion it's a matter of fairness=2E

Cheers,
Eike

Kind regards,

Ch= ristian

On Decemb= er 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet=2Ech>=
wrote:
For me it's a rather sim= ple calculation: if every contributor on planet
would
post as many ar= ticles on politics as e=2Eg=2E you do, the planet would be
simply
ove= rcrowded with it=2E

Given we already have filters for languages, may= be there could be a
filter for
non-KDE stuff, so that people who to g= o planet=2Ekde to read about, well,
KDE,
could filter all that stuff = out=2E

Kind regards,

Christian

Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dez= ember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell:
Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share = information about

themselves

as well as their KDE contributions=2E A har= d Brexit will affect KDE
significantly which is why I include it here=2E= The idea that talking

about

politics is dangerous or anti-social really= scares me and is one

reason why

the populists have taken over so much of = the political discussion
currently=2E I often get people thanking me for= my political opinion

blogs=2E

If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then d= on=E2=80=99t read it=2E

The rule we came up with is "The majority of= content in your blog

should be

about KDE and your work on KDE=2E Blog pos= ts about personal subjects

are also

encouraged since Planet KDE is a chanc= e to learn more about the

developers

behind KDE=2E" I've never heard anyo= ne suggest changes to that rule=2E

Jonathan

On Thu, 5 Dec 201= 9 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet=2Ech>

= wrote:
Dear Community,

I'm 100% sure this= topic came up in the past due to the same blog,

but I

can't
find it on the mailing = list, so I assume it happened on forums or
chat:
currently the top blog post on planet=2Ek= de=2Eorg is about voting for a
specific
political party=2E I understa= nd that in these times there are many

coun= tries

with heated and important political deb= ates, and some very

important

global
topics as well=2E However, these already occupy= all the news site=2E
Now if every blog appearing on the planet would ta= rget a political

subject

that is very important to the blogger, planet=2Ekde=2Eorg woul= d be yet
another
political news/opinions feed=2E

If I want pol= itics, I go to one of these=2E If I want to read about

KDE, I

go to
planet=2Ekde=2Eo= rg=2E

Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose=

which of

yo= ur
blogs do show up on the planet=2E I know that some topics are very

important

toyou and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep

the

planet=2Ekde= =2Eorg feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where
<= /blockquote>
it's

hard to
find the cont= ent people actually go there for=2E

Thanks and kind regards,

= Christian




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