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Subject: Re: FSF leadership
From: Laszlo Papp <lpapp () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-09-19 10:03:28
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:31 AM Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I mostly agree with Agustin and Jens:
>
> I think that people should be elected into positions based on their
> suitability for that position, which means that things like sex, gender,
> race,
> cultural background, sexual orientation etc. pp. should neither be an
> advantage nor a disadvantage. Otherwise people with backward mindsets
> thinking
> that "$xy can't do $z" will go "Oh, you only got into position $z due to
> being $xy", which doesn't help. Also worst case, but exaggerated, if
> indeed
> people are picked not based on suitability, you could e.g. pick someone
> for a
> communicative job that is rather introvert or someone for a finance job
> that
> doesn't like numbers, then people with the above mentioned mindset would
> feel
> that their odd views are even more confirmed, that $xy can't do $z.
>
> From a personal point of view, I e.g. do not think that someone from the
> LGBTQ+ spectrum would represent me any better on a board. What is
> important to
> me is that I feel welcome and an not harassed / discriminated due to
> that.
>
> And that is what we need to achieve: our community needs to be inclusive
> and
> welcoming, so we shall not tolerate discrimination based on sex, gender,
> cultural heritage etc. pp.
> When we have a diverse base, chances are obviously high that people
> elected
> into positions have all kind of different backgrounds.
>
> And that is what I think we need to recommend to other communities, so
> that
> FOSS as a whole is a place where everybody feels welcome and nobody
> suffers
> from discrimination based on who they are. On the other hand, I do not
> feel
> that we are in the position to make strong pushs or even build up public
> pressure when it comes to elections and choices of other organizations.
> I don't know how FSF elections internally work, but if we map it to KDE,
> I'd
> see it as very awkward if an external organization would interfere with
> our
> board elections and say "You should pick candidate $x or you must add
> candidates $y and $z".
>
> tl;dr: I think we need to ensure that both we and FOSS has a diverse,
> broad
> base and work on issues preventing that, not interfering with other
> organizations elections and processes.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Christian
>
+1
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:31 AM Christian Loosli <<a \
href="mailto:kde@fuchsnet.ch">kde@fuchsnet.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi all, <br> <br>
I mostly agree with Agustin and Jens: <br>
<br>
I think that people should be elected into positions based on their <br>
suitability for that position, which means that things like sex, gender, race, <br>
cultural background, sexual orientation etc. pp. should neither be an <br>
advantage nor a disadvantage. Otherwise people with backward mindsets thinking <br>
that "$xy can't do $z" will go "Oh, you only got into position \
$z due to <br> being $xy", which doesn't help. Also worst case, but \
exaggerated, if indeed <br> people are picked not based on suitability, you could \
e.g. pick someone for a <br> communicative job that is rather introvert or someone \
for a finance job that <br> doesn't like numbers, then people with the above \
mentioned mindset would feel <br> that their odd views are even more confirmed, that \
$xy can't do $z. <br> <br>
From a personal point of view, I e.g. do not think that someone from the <br>
LGBTQ+ spectrum would represent me any better on a board. What is important to <br>
me is that I feel welcome and an not harassed / discriminated due to that. <br>
<br>
And that is what we need to achieve: our community needs to be inclusive and <br>
welcoming, so we shall not tolerate discrimination based on sex, gender, <br>
cultural heritage etc. pp. <br>
When we have a diverse base, chances are obviously high that people elected <br>
into positions have all kind of different backgrounds. <br>
<br>
And that is what I think we need to recommend to other communities, so that <br>
FOSS as a whole is a place where everybody feels welcome and nobody suffers <br>
from discrimination based on who they are. On the other hand, I do not feel <br>
that we are in the position to make strong pushs or even build up public <br>
pressure when it comes to elections and choices of other organizations. <br>
I don't know how FSF elections internally work, but if we map it to KDE, I'd \
<br> see it as very awkward if an external organization would interfere with our <br>
board elections and say "You should pick candidate $x or you must add <br>
candidates $y and $z". <br>
<br>
tl;dr: I think we need to ensure that both we and FOSS has a diverse, broad <br>
base and work on issues preventing that, not interfering with other <br>
organizations elections and processes. <br>
<br>
Kind regards, <br>
<br>
Christian<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1 </div></div></div>
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