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List:       kde-community
Subject:    Re: FSF leadership
From:       Helio Chissini de Castro <helio () kde ! org>
Date:       2019-09-19 7:09:38
Message-ID: CAKPiqoHGMmdw_-_y=fz3eyrkn7pLKEE+mhTm0qDRFHujAHZKuQ () mail ! gmail ! com
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I understand RH. The gamemis political now, is a chance to make FSF a real
org to match Linux Foundation power domination recently. They just can't
speak directly about this, but use the nice inclusion topic, helping then
to say the message without been heavy political sided.

And i want raise a concern here as well.

The current FSF VP, Alexandre Oliva, i know personally from long time. He
is as extremist as RMS, but only in software territory, and seen like a
current twitter post, it shows that is going down to the hill like RMS.
https://twitter.com/coralineada/status/1174410267972780033?s=21

So, we need carefully choose the words if we want to say a message.

If we do want to support the new times, but avoid fall in the risk of
having aoliva as a president and FSF will not change at all, can even been
more dangerous.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:34, Paul Adams <paul.adams@kde.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 08:17 Agustín Benito, <toscalix@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> we should support them, not tell them what to do.
>>
>
> One of RMSs best-known transgressions took place on _our_ stage at Gran
> Canaria. We did not exactly take much action at the time.
>
> If this community really cares about Free Software and building an
> inclusive community we absolutely _must_ speak up in public.
>
> Augustin is right though. That message must be one of support for the FSF
> and helping them build a better future for FS, not pressurising them over
> things in the past.
>
>>

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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I understand RH. The \
gamemis political now, is a chance to make FSF a real org to match Linux Foundation \
power domination recently. They just can&#39;t speak directly about this, but use the \
nice inclusion topic, helping then to say the message without been heavy political \
sided.</div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">And i want raise a \
concern here as well.</div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">The current FSF VP, \
Alexandre Oliva, i know personally from long time. He is as extremist as RMS, but \
only in software territory, and seen like a current twitter post, it shows that is \
going down to the hill like RMS.</div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a \
href="https://twitter.com/coralineada/status/1174410267972780033?s=21">https://twitter.com/coralineada/status/1174410267972780033?s=21</a><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">So, we need carefully \
choose the words if we want to say a message.  </div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">If we do want to \
support the new times, but avoid fall in the risk of having aoliva as a president and \
FSF will not change at all, can even been more dangerous.</div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:34, \
Paul Adams &lt;<a href="mailto:paul.adams@kde.org">paul.adams@kde.org</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 19 \
Sep 2019, 08:17 Agustín Benito, &lt;<a href="mailto:toscalix@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">toscalix@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">we should support \
them, not tell them what to do.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One of RMSs best-known transgressions took place \
on _our_ stage at Gran Canaria. We did not exactly take much action at the \
time.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If this community really cares \
about Free Software and building an inclusive community we absolutely _must_ speak up \
in public.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Augustin is right though. \
That message must be one of support for the FSF and helping them build a better \
future for FS, not pressurising them over things in the past.</div><div \
dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px \
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> \
</blockquote></div></div></div> </blockquote></div>



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