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Subject: Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
From: Eike Hein <hein () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-02-28 14:43:33
Message-ID: A44C045C-2FC2-45AD-B28B-976B9E827AA7 () kde ! org
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Hi,
of course "being insulted" is very much in the eye of the beholder.
I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so let's do real talk and summarize the situation \
according to my best knowledge of events:
Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees. He took payment for that \
mechandising via a card reader connected to a bank account he controls. People - not the board - \
initially asked him why this card reader cannot be connected to the KDE e.V. bank account instead.
His response has been to repeatedly not give a straight answer to this question, and instead throw a \
hissy-fit about how the e.V. is not doing its job and doesn't help organizing conferences. The board has \
received no inquiry about helping with payment solutions, and Jonathan, being a KDE e.V. member himself, \
has not lead any efforts to organize any within the membership to our knowledge. Whatever else, making a \
solution for himself doesn't help anyone else, either, so problem-solving appears as merely pretense.
According to a conversation with Jonathan, he considers himself to represent and/or lead (it's a bit \
unclear) a non-profit organization named "KDE GB", sold the merchandising as such and seems to intend to \
keep the money he collected. We at this time have no information on whether "KDE GB" is set up and acting \
in compliance with local and EU law and who its membership is. As he considers himself a non-profit, he \
did not sign the agreement that mechandising shops have signed or make any inquiry about it. "KDE GB" has \
also not signed the local satellite organization agreement or made any inquiry about doing so after being \
informed of its existence.
Let's be clear: The e.V. cares because it's required to protect KDE's trademarks and wants to protect \
KDE's reputation in the world. The KDE e.V. is also a organization that gets work done by way of its \
members doing things (many of whom have organized conference stalls before). We're not aware of any \
impediments to Jonathan doing anything within the scope of the e.V. and consider any antagonism to be \
entirely unprovoked, one-sided and unnecessary.
Cheers,
Eike
On February 28, 2019 10:10:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote:
> > However, I recommend to always assume best intentions in everything.
> > Once we deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e.V. Board's
> > ability to help. We walk into the battle wounded. Assuming best
> > intentions will also help you remove the pressure that suspicion
> > creates. I tell that to our engineers at my work all the time. I
> think
> > it is sound advice.
>
> Given this principle does the board see that its choice to query the
> legality of me running a conference stall at FOSDEM after 15 years of
> only token involvement from the e.v. was insulting?
>
> Jonathan
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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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<html><head></head><body>Hi,<br><br>of course "being insulted" is very much in the eye of the \
beholder.<br><br>I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so let's do real talk and \
summarize the situation according to my best knowledge of events:<br><br>Jonathan Riddell sold KDE \
mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees. He took payment for that mechandising via a card reader \
connected to a bank account he controls. People - not the board - initially asked him why this card \
reader cannot be connected to the KDE e.V. bank account instead.<br><br>His response has been to \
repeatedly not give a straight answer to this question, and instead throw a hissy-fit about how the e.V. \
is not doing its job and doesn't help organizing conferences. The board has received no inquiry about \
helping with payment solutions, and Jonathan, being a KDE e.V. member himself, has not lead any efforts \
to organize any within the membership to our knowledge. Whatever else, making a solution for himself \
doesn't help anyone else, either, so problem-solving appears as merely pretense.<br><br>According to a \
conversation with Jonathan, he considers himself to represent and/or lead (it's a bit unclear) a \
non-profit organization named "KDE GB", sold the merchandising as such and seems to intend to keep the \
money he collected. We at this time have no information on whether "KDE GB" is set up and acting in \
compliance with local and EU law and who its membership is. As he considers himself a non-profit, he did \
not sign the agreement that mechandising shops have signed or make any inquiry about it. "KDE GB" has \
also not signed the local satellite organization agreement or made any inquiry about doing so after being \
informed of its existence.<br><br>Let's be clear: The e.V. cares because it's required to protect KDE's \
trademarks and wants to protect KDE's reputation in the world. The KDE e.V. is also a organization that \
gets work done by way of its members doing things (many of whom have organized conference stalls before). \
We're not aware of any impediments to Jonathan doing anything within the scope of the e.V. and consider \
any antagonism to be entirely unprovoked, one-sided and \
unnecessary.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On February 28, 2019 10:10:50 \
PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre \
class="k9mail">On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">However, I \
recommend to always assume best intentions in everything.<br>Once we deride, criticize and slander, we \
stop the e.V. Board's<br>ability to help. We walk into the battle wounded. Assuming best<br>intentions \
will also help you remove the pressure that suspicion<br>creates. I tell that to our engineers at my work \
all the time. I think<br>it is sound advice.<br></blockquote><br>Given this principle does the board see \
that its choice to query the<br>legality of me running a conference stall at FOSDEM after 15 years \
of<br>only token involvement from the e.v. was \
insulting?<br><br>Jonathan<br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Sent from my Android device with K-9 \
Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</body></html>
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