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Subject: Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
From: Eike Hein <hein () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-02-28 14:43:33
Message-ID: A44C045C-2FC2-45AD-B28B-976B9E827AA7 () kde ! org
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Hi,
of course "being insulted" is very much in the eye of the beholder.
I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so let's do real \
talk and summarize the situation according to my best knowledge of events:
Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees. \
He took payment for that mechandising via a card reader connected to a bank \
account he controls. People - not the board - initially asked him why this \
card reader cannot be connected to the KDE e.V. bank account instead.
His response has been to repeatedly not give a straight answer to this \
question, and instead throw a hissy-fit about how the e.V. is not doing its \
job and doesn't help organizing conferences. The board has received no \
inquiry about helping with payment solutions, and Jonathan, being a KDE \
e.V. member himself, has not lead any efforts to organize any within the \
membership to our knowledge. Whatever else, making a solution for himself \
doesn't help anyone else, either, so problem-solving appears as merely \
pretense.
According to a conversation with Jonathan, he considers himself to \
represent and/or lead (it's a bit unclear) a non-profit organization named \
"KDE GB", sold the merchandising as such and seems to intend to keep the \
money he collected. We at this time have no information on whether "KDE GB" \
is set up and acting in compliance with local and EU law and who its \
membership is. As he considers himself a non-profit, he did not sign the \
agreement that mechandising shops have signed or make any inquiry about it. \
"KDE GB" has also not signed the local satellite organization agreement or \
made any inquiry about doing so after being informed of its existence.
Let's be clear: The e.V. cares because it's required to protect KDE's \
trademarks and wants to protect KDE's reputation in the world. The KDE e.V. \
is also a organization that gets work done by way of its members doing \
things (many of whom have organized conference stalls before). We're not \
aware of any impediments to Jonathan doing anything within the scope of the \
e.V. and consider any antagonism to be entirely unprovoked, one-sided and \
unnecessary.
Cheers,
Eike
On February 28, 2019 10:10:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan Riddell \
<jr@jriddell.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote:
> > However, I recommend to always assume best intentions in everything.
> > Once we deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e.V. Board's
> > ability to help. We walk into the battle wounded. Assuming best
> > intentions will also help you remove the pressure that suspicion
> > creates. I tell that to our engineers at my work all the time. I
> think
> > it is sound advice.
>
> Given this principle does the board see that its choice to query the
> legality of me running a conference stall at FOSDEM after 15 years of
> only token involvement from the e.v. was insulting?
>
> Jonathan
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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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<html><head></head><body>Hi,<br><br>of course "being insulted" is very much \
in the eye of the beholder.<br><br>I'm very tired of this accusation being \
thrown around, so let's do real talk and summarize the situation according \
to my best knowledge of events:<br><br>Jonathan Riddell sold KDE \
mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees. He took payment for that \
mechandising via a card reader connected to a bank account he controls. \
People - not the board - initially asked him why this card reader cannot be \
connected to the KDE e.V. bank account instead.<br><br>His response has \
been to repeatedly not give a straight answer to this question, and instead \
throw a hissy-fit about how the e.V. is not doing its job and doesn't help \
organizing conferences. The board has received no inquiry about helping \
with payment solutions, and Jonathan, being a KDE e.V. member himself, has \
not lead any efforts to organize any within the membership to our \
knowledge. Whatever else, making a solution for himself doesn't help anyone \
else, either, so problem-solving appears as merely \
pretense.<br><br>According to a conversation with Jonathan, he considers \
himself to represent and/or lead (it's a bit unclear) a non-profit \
organization named "KDE GB", sold the merchandising as such and seems to \
intend to keep the money he collected. We at this time have no information \
on whether "KDE GB" is set up and acting in compliance with local and EU \
law and who its membership is. As he considers himself a non-profit, he did \
not sign the agreement that mechandising shops have signed or make any \
inquiry about it. "KDE GB" has also not signed the local satellite \
organization agreement or made any inquiry about doing so after being \
informed of its existence.<br><br>Let's be clear: The e.V. cares because \
it's required to protect KDE's trademarks and wants to protect KDE's \
reputation in the world. The KDE e.V. is also a organization that gets work \
done by way of its members doing things (many of whom have organized \
conference stalls before). We're not aware of any impediments to Jonathan \
doing anything within the scope of the e.V. and consider any antagonism to \
be entirely unprovoked, one-sided and \
unnecessary.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On February 28, 2019 10:10:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan \
Riddell <jr@jriddell.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="k9mail">On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at \
08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; \
padding-left: 1ex;">However, I recommend to always assume best intentions \
in everything.<br>Once we deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e.V. \
Board's<br>ability to help. We walk into the battle wounded. Assuming \
best<br>intentions will also help you remove the pressure that \
suspicion<br>creates. I tell that to our engineers at my work all the time. \
I think<br>it is sound advice.<br></blockquote><br>Given this principle \
does the board see that its choice to query the<br>legality of me running a \
conference stall at FOSDEM after 15 years of<br>only token involvement from \
the e.v. was insulting?<br><br>Jonathan<br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- \
<br>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my \
brevity.</body></html>
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