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Subject: Re: Improving our integration with KDE application teams, and supporting companies
From: Dimitris Kardarakos <dimkard () gmail ! com>
Date: 2018-08-25 17:02:19
Message-ID: 0BA201CD-EB1D-4434-88D2-C799C130E420 () gmail ! com
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As Cornelius has already mentioned, the debate is not about whether we want companies around \
the KDE community, or not. As long as we create high quality digital products, companies will \
always be around us.
Imho, what really matters is to start discussing on what kind of company ecosystem we want \
around our community. Afterwards, or maybe simultaneously, we may start talking about what we \
could do so as to construct such an ecosystem.
When I imagine this ecosystem, I see social purpose companies and not "only for profit" ones. \
These companies are governed by their social mission and not by their lust for profit and \
growth. I would be proud of a KDE "doing business" with companies that create products or \
provide services that fullfil social needs. Example: entrepreneurial initiatives to create \
privacy oriented, plasma mobile devices with long term support, made of recyclable components \
that users may substitute when broken.
Moreover, I see generative companies that improve the KDE output, allocating resources for \
upstream work. Although we cannot prevent extractive companies that just consume our work for \
making profit from existing, I do not see them as our partners, since they do not improve our \
community and jeopardize its sustainability.
In addition, I would like to cooperate with non hierarchical companies, where people do not \
work overtime to reach deadlines imposed on them by upper management. I' d really enjoy working \
with companies having as purpose to create livelihood for their members. And when success leads \
to the creation of surplus, the surplus would not be invested to financial products but it \
would be shared with the community, supporting KDE e.v. and more importantly, supporting \
similar entrepreneurial initiatives.
So, this ecosystem does not consist of competitive companies. In a sustainable ecosystem the \
output of one is the input of the other. There should not exist companies that both create two \
distinct kirigami based file managers with similar features. Instead, companies that \
coordinate, working on different features and adding back to kirigami the components it lacks \
of, avoiding duplication of effort and wasting of resources, as well as reducing the \
environmental footprint.
In the vision of KDE is mentioned:
"Of course, there is much more to life than the 'digital' part. While we all want freedom and \
control in the other parts too, influencing that is beyond KDE's scope, so we limit our vision \
to 'digital life'."
I believe that the creation of an ethical ecosystem that may allow contributors to make a \
living by working on what they really love is a huge step towards freedom.
On August 24, 2018 5:12:28 PM GMT+03:00, Sune Vuorela <nospam@vuorela.dk> wrote:
> On 2018-08-24, Cornelius Schumacher <schumacher@kde.org> wrote:
> > This was a quite complex situation, there were many factors involved.
> But
> > again the negative feedback was not about the question if it's ok to
> pay
> > developers but about other aspects of how the project was handled.
>
> And on some of those questions, Frank has later said at public talks
> that "KDE was right". (fosdem last year)
>
> /Sune
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<html><head></head><body>As Cornelius has already mentioned, the debate is not about whether we \
want companies around the KDE community, or not. As long as we create high quality digital \
products, companies will always be around us.<br> <br>
Imho, what really matters is to start discussing on what kind of company ecosystem we want \
around our community. Afterwards, or maybe simultaneously, we may start talking about what we \
could do so as to construct such an ecosystem.<br> <br>
When I imagine this ecosystem, I see social purpose companies and not "only for \
profit" ones. These companies are governed by their social mission and not by their lust \
for profit and growth. I would be proud of a KDE "doing business" with companies that \
create products or provide services that fullfil social needs. Example: entrepreneurial \
initiatives to create privacy oriented, plasma mobile devices with long term support, made of \
recyclable components that users may substitute when broken.<br> <br>
Moreover, I see generative companies that improve the KDE output, allocating resources for \
upstream work. Although we cannot prevent extractive companies that just consume our work for \
making profit from existing, I do not see them as our partners, since they do not improve our \
community and jeopardize its sustainability.<br> <br>
In addition, I would like to cooperate with non hierarchical companies, where people do not \
work overtime to reach deadlines imposed on them by upper management. I' d really enjoy \
working with companies having as purpose to create livelihood for their members. And when \
success leads to the creation of surplus, the surplus would not be invested to financial \
products but it would be shared with the community, supporting KDE e.v. and more importantly, \
supporting similar entrepreneurial<br> initiatives.<br>
<br>
So, this ecosystem does not consist of competitive companies. In a sustainable ecosystem the \
output of one is the input of the other. There should not exist companies that both create two \
distinct kirigami based file managers with similar features. Instead, companies that \
coordinate, working on different features and adding back to kirigami the components it lacks \
of, avoiding duplication of effort and wasting of resources, as well as reducing the \
environmental footprint.<br> <br>
In the vision of KDE is mentioned: <br>
<br>
"Of course, there is much more to life than the 'digital' part. While we all want \
freedom and control in the other parts too, influencing that is beyond KDE's scope, so we \
limit our vision to 'digital life'."<br> <br>
I believe that the creation of an ethical ecosystem that may allow contributors to make a \
living by working on what they really love is a huge step towards freedom.<br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On August 24, 2018 5:12:28 PM GMT+03:00, Sune Vuorela \
<nospam@vuorela.dk> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt \
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="k9mail">On \
2018-08-24, Cornelius Schumacher <schumacher@kde.org> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; \
padding-left: 1ex;"> This was a quite complex situation, there were many factors involved. But \
<br> again the negative feedback was not about the question if it's ok to pay <br> developers \
but about other aspects of how the project was handled.<br></blockquote><br>And on some of \
those questions, Frank has later said at public talks<br>that "KDE was right". (fosdem last \
year)<br><br>/Sune<br><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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Σταλμένο από τη συσκευή μου Android με το K-9 Mail. αρακαλώ \
συγχωρήστε την ολιγολογία μου.</body></html>
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