------PX8FWSDEHCQVN69A189A0IVQQ7ZLXU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Cornelius has already mentioned, the debate is not about whether we want= companies around the KDE community, or not=2E As long as we create high qu= ality digital products, companies will always be around us=2E Imho, what really matters is to start discussing on what kind of company e= cosystem we want around our community=2E Afterwards, or maybe simultaneousl= y, we may start talking about what we could do so as to construct such an e= cosystem=2E When I imagine this ecosystem, I see social purpose companies and not "onl= y for profit" ones=2E These companies are governed by their social mission = and not by their lust for profit and growth=2E I would be proud of a KDE "d= oing business" with companies that create products or provide services that= fullfil social needs=2E Example: entrepreneurial initiatives to create pri= vacy oriented, plasma mobile devices with long term support, made of recycl= able components that users may substitute when broken=2E Moreover, I see generative companies that improve the KDE output, allocati= ng resources for upstream work=2E Although we cannot prevent extractive com= panies that just consume our work for making profit from existing, I do not= see them as our partners, since they do not improve our community and jeop= ardize its sustainability=2E In addition, I would like to cooperate with non hierarchical companies, wh= ere people do not work overtime to reach deadlines imposed on them by upper= management=2E I' d really enjoy working with companies having as purpose t= o create livelihood for their members=2E And when success leads to the crea= tion of surplus, the surplus would not be invested to financial products bu= t it would be shared with the community, supporting KDE e=2Ev=2E and more i= mportantly, supporting similar entrepreneurial initiatives=2E So, this ecosystem does not consist of competitive companies=2E In a susta= inable ecosystem the output of one is the input of the other=2E There shoul= d not exist companies that both create two distinct kirigami based file man= agers with similar features=2E Instead, companies that coordinate, working = on different features and adding back to kirigami the components it lacks o= f, avoiding duplication of effort and wasting of resources, as well as redu= cing the environmental footprint=2E In the vision of KDE is mentioned:=20 "Of course, there is much more to life than the 'digital' part=2E While we= all want freedom and control in the other parts too, influencing that is b= eyond KDE's scope, so we limit our vision to 'digital life'=2E" I believe that the creation of an ethical ecosystem that may allow contrib= utors to make a living by working on what they really love is a huge step t= owards freedom=2E On August 24, 2018 5:12:28 PM GMT+03:00, Sune Vuorela wrote: >On 2018-08-24, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: >> This was a quite complex situation, there were many factors involved=2E >But=20 >> again the negative feedback was not about the question if it's ok to >pay=20 >> developers but about other aspects of how the project was handled=2E > >And on some of those questions, Frank has later said at public talks >that "KDE was right"=2E (fosdem last year) > >/Sune --=20 =CE=A3=CF=84=CE=B1=CE=BB=CE=BC=CE=AD=CE=BD=CE=BF =CE=B1=CF=80=CF=8C =CF=84= =CE=B7 =CF=83=CF=85=CF=83=CE=BA=CE=B5=CF=85=CE=AE =CE=BC=CE=BF=CF=85 Androi= d =CE=BC=CE=B5 =CF=84=CE=BF K-9 Mail=2E =CE=A0=CE=B1=CF=81=CE=B1=CE=BA=CE= =B1=CE=BB=CF=8E =CF=83=CF=85=CE=B3=CF=87=CF=89=CF=81=CE=AE=CF=83=CF=84=CE= =B5 =CF=84=CE=B7=CE=BD =CE=BF=CE=BB=CE=B9=CE=B3=CE=BF=CE=BB=CE=BF=CE=B3=CE= =AF=CE=B1 =CE=BC=CE=BF=CF=85=2E ------PX8FWSDEHCQVN69A189A0IVQQ7ZLXU Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As Cornelius has already mentioned, the debate is = not about whether we want companies around the KDE community, or not=2E As = long as we create high quality digital products, companies will always be a= round us=2E

Imho, what really matters is to start discussing on what kind of company e= cosystem we want around our community=2E Afterwards, or maybe simultaneousl= y, we may start talking about what we could do so as to construct such an e= cosystem=2E

When I imagine this ecosystem, I see social purpose companies and not &quo= t;only for profit" ones=2E These companies are governed by their socia= l mission and not by their lust for profit and growth=2E I would be proud o= f a KDE "doing business" with companies that create products or p= rovide services that fullfil social needs=2E Example: entrepreneurial initi= atives to create privacy oriented, plasma mobile devices with long term sup= port, made of recyclable components that users may substitute when broken= =2E

Moreover, I see generative companies that improve the KDE output, allocati= ng resources for upstream work=2E Although we cannot prevent extractive com= panies that just consume our work for making profit from existing, I do not= see them as our partners, since they do not improve our community and jeop= ardize its sustainability=2E

In addition, I would like to cooperate with non hierarchical companies, wh= ere people do not work overtime to reach deadlines imposed on them by upper= management=2E I' d really enjoy working with companies having as purpo= se to create livelihood for their members=2E And when success leads to the = creation of surplus, the surplus would not be invested to financial product= s but it would be shared with the community, supporting KDE e=2Ev=2E and mo= re importantly, supporting similar entrepreneurial
initiatives=2E

So, this ecosystem does not consist of competitive companies=2E In a susta= inable ecosystem the output of one is the input of the other=2E There shoul= d not exist companies that both create two distinct kirigami based file man= agers with similar features=2E Instead, companies that coordinate, working = on different features and adding back to kirigami the components it lacks o= f, avoiding duplication of effort and wasting of resources, as well as redu= cing the environmental footprint=2E

In the vision of KDE is mentioned:

"Of course, there is much more to life than the 'digital' par= t=2E While we all want freedom and control in the other parts too, influenc= ing that is beyond KDE's scope, so we limit our vision to 'digital = life'=2E"

I believe that the creation of an ethical ecosystem that may allow contrib= utors to make a living by working on what they really love is a huge step t= owards freedom=2E

On August 24, 2018 5:12= :28 PM GMT+03:00, Sune Vuorela <nospam@vuorela=2Edk> wrote:

On 2018-08-24, Cornelius Schumacher <schumacher@k=
de=2Eorg> wrote:
 Th=
is was a quite complex situation, there were many factors involved=2E But <=
br> again the negative feedback was not about the question if it's ok to pa=
y 
 developers but about other aspects of how the project was handled=2E=


And on some of those questions, Frank has later said a=
t public talks
that "KDE was right"=2E (fosdem last year)

/Sune

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