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Subject: Re: Improving our integration with KDE application teams, and supporting companies
From: Dimitris Kardarakos <dimkard () gmail ! com>
Date: 2018-08-25 17:02:19
Message-ID: 0BA201CD-EB1D-4434-88D2-C799C130E420 () gmail ! com
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As Cornelius has already mentioned, the debate is not about whether we want companies \
around the KDE community, or not. As long as we create high quality digital products, \
companies will always be around us.
Imho, what really matters is to start discussing on what kind of company ecosystem we \
want around our community. Afterwards, or maybe simultaneously, we may start talking \
about what we could do so as to construct such an ecosystem.
When I imagine this ecosystem, I see social purpose companies and not "only for \
profit" ones. These companies are governed by their social mission and not by their \
lust for profit and growth. I would be proud of a KDE "doing business" with companies \
that create products or provide services that fullfil social needs. Example: \
entrepreneurial initiatives to create privacy oriented, plasma mobile devices with \
long term support, made of recyclable components that users may substitute when \
broken.
Moreover, I see generative companies that improve the KDE output, allocating \
resources for upstream work. Although we cannot prevent extractive companies that \
just consume our work for making profit from existing, I do not see them as our \
partners, since they do not improve our community and jeopardize its sustainability.
In addition, I would like to cooperate with non hierarchical companies, where people \
do not work overtime to reach deadlines imposed on them by upper management. I' d \
really enjoy working with companies having as purpose to create livelihood for their \
members. And when success leads to the creation of surplus, the surplus would not be \
invested to financial products but it would be shared with the community, supporting \
KDE e.v. and more importantly, supporting similar entrepreneurial initiatives.
So, this ecosystem does not consist of competitive companies. In a sustainable \
ecosystem the output of one is the input of the other. There should not exist \
companies that both create two distinct kirigami based file managers with similar \
features. Instead, companies that coordinate, working on different features and \
adding back to kirigami the components it lacks of, avoiding duplication of effort \
and wasting of resources, as well as reducing the environmental footprint.
In the vision of KDE is mentioned:
"Of course, there is much more to life than the 'digital' part. While we all want \
freedom and control in the other parts too, influencing that is beyond KDE's scope, \
so we limit our vision to 'digital life'."
I believe that the creation of an ethical ecosystem that may allow contributors to \
make a living by working on what they really love is a huge step towards freedom.
On August 24, 2018 5:12:28 PM GMT+03:00, Sune Vuorela <nospam@vuorela.dk> wrote:
> On 2018-08-24, Cornelius Schumacher <schumacher@kde.org> wrote:
> > This was a quite complex situation, there were many factors involved.
> But
> > again the negative feedback was not about the question if it's ok to
> pay
> > developers but about other aspects of how the project was handled.
>
> And on some of those questions, Frank has later said at public talks
> that "KDE was right". (fosdem last year)
>
> /Sune
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<html><head></head><body>As Cornelius has already mentioned, the debate is not about \
whether we want companies around the KDE community, or not. As long as we create high \
quality digital products, companies will always be around us.<br> <br>
Imho, what really matters is to start discussing on what kind of company ecosystem we \
want around our community. Afterwards, or maybe simultaneously, we may start talking \
about what we could do so as to construct such an ecosystem.<br> <br>
When I imagine this ecosystem, I see social purpose companies and not "only for \
profit" ones. These companies are governed by their social mission and not by \
their lust for profit and growth. I would be proud of a KDE "doing \
business" with companies that create products or provide services that fullfil \
social needs. Example: entrepreneurial initiatives to create privacy oriented, plasma \
mobile devices with long term support, made of recyclable components that users may \
substitute when broken.<br> <br>
Moreover, I see generative companies that improve the KDE output, allocating \
resources for upstream work. Although we cannot prevent extractive companies that \
just consume our work for making profit from existing, I do not see them as our \
partners, since they do not improve our community and jeopardize its \
sustainability.<br> <br>
In addition, I would like to cooperate with non hierarchical companies, where people \
do not work overtime to reach deadlines imposed on them by upper management. I' d \
really enjoy working with companies having as purpose to create livelihood for their \
members. And when success leads to the creation of surplus, the surplus would not be \
invested to financial products but it would be shared with the community, supporting \
KDE e.v. and more importantly, supporting similar entrepreneurial<br> \
initiatives.<br> <br>
So, this ecosystem does not consist of competitive companies. In a sustainable \
ecosystem the output of one is the input of the other. There should not exist \
companies that both create two distinct kirigami based file managers with similar \
features. Instead, companies that coordinate, working on different features and \
adding back to kirigami the components it lacks of, avoiding duplication of effort \
and wasting of resources, as well as reducing the environmental footprint.<br> <br>
In the vision of KDE is mentioned: <br>
<br>
"Of course, there is much more to life than the 'digital' part. While we \
all want freedom and control in the other parts too, influencing that is beyond \
KDE's scope, so we limit our vision to 'digital life'."<br> <br>
I believe that the creation of an ethical ecosystem that may allow contributors to \
make a living by working on what they really love is a huge step towards \
freedom.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On August 24, 2018 5:12:28 PM GMT+03:00, \
Sune Vuorela <nospam@vuorela.dk> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); \
padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="k9mail">On 2018-08-24, Cornelius Schumacher \
<schumacher@kde.org> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: \
0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> This was a \
quite complex situation, there were many factors involved. But <br> again the \
negative feedback was not about the question if it's ok to pay <br> developers but \
about other aspects of how the project was handled.<br></blockquote><br>And on some \
of those questions, Frank has later said at public talks<br>that "KDE was right". \
(fosdem last year)<br><br>/Sune<br><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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Σταλμένο από τη συσκευή μου Android με το K-9 Mail. \
αρακαλώ συγχωρήστε την ολιγολογία μου.</body></html>
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