[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]
List: kde-community
Subject: Re: Telemetry Policy
From: Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer () kde ! org>
Date: 2017-08-17 16:20:16
Message-ID: 5A696707-744C-4035-A8FA-CA83EE8691D6 () kde ! org
[Download RAW message or body]
> On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org \
> > <mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org>> wrote:
> > Hi Valorie,
> > Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does not
> > align with the values we communicate to our users:
> > Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we're
> > striving to make privacy our USP.
>
> We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe this is \
> a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that privacy is not \
> violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our vision that we should do \
> this.
The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I don't see us \
being able to explain to users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before \
they freak out. Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over \
things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal. It's emotion more than \
rational arguments
[Attachment #3 (unknown)]
<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html \
charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; \
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote \
type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE \
<<a href="mailto:mirko@kde.org" class="">mirko@kde.org</a>> wrote:</div><br \
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" \
content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; \
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" \
class="">Hi, <div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" \
class=""><div class="">On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <<a \
href="mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" class="">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>> \
wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span \
style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" \
class="">Hi Valorie,</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span \
style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" \
class="">Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does \
not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: \
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; \
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; \
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; \
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; \
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; \
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; \
display: inline !important;" class="">align with the values we communicate to our \
users:</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: \
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; \
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; \
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span \
style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" \
class="">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and \
we're<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: \
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; \
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; \
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; \
font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; \
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; \
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; \
display: inline !important;" class="">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br \
style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><br \
class=""></div><div class="">We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and \
privacy. I believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way \
that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our vision \
that we should do this.</div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The problem is: \
I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I don't see us being able to \
explain to users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they freak \
out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over \
things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.</div><div>It's emotion more \
than rational arguments</div><br class=""></body></html>
[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]
Configure |
About |
News |
Add a list |
Sponsored by KoreLogic