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List:       kde-artists
Subject:    Re: [kde-artists] Bug 163311
From:       pinheiro <nuno () oxygen-icons ! org>
Date:       2008-06-28 22:28:42
Message-ID: 200806290029.05875.nuno () oxygen-icons ! org
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A Saturday 28 June 2008 22:59:02, James Richard Tyrer escreveu:
> Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> > Oh, here we go again :-)
>
> Not really, things have changed with the new standardized icon names.
> Perhaps you should read what I said and read the current spec more
> carefully rather than trying to find some excuse to start a rant.
>
> > The xdg icon spec says that hicolor is only a place for 3rd party
> > apps to put their app icon - that is all it really says, reading more
> >  into it is not really what a spec is there for.
>
> Yes and that is a reasonable solution to the issues raised by the
> standard icon names.  Perhaps not the solution that I would have chosen,
> but certainly a reasonable solution since with standard names, we can
> not have multiple desktops installing HiColor icons.  The only other
> solution would be to have an independently maintained HiColor theme and
> this seems like it would be redundant since we already have the Tango
> project.
>
> Note that the XDG icon spec does not say "only".
>
> What hasn't changed is that KDE still will not follow the spec.  I have
> always found this ironic since the spec is based on the KDE icon system.
>
> There are still issues that need to be resolved, but these are now new
> issues.  One of these issues is to define "third party application".
>
> > There is no hicolor theme
>
> And the spec says:
>
> "there should always exist a theme called 'hicolor'"
>
> I guess that what you mean is that we should not use that name for an
> icon theme.  See above.
>
> > and certainly no "generalized, generic" style (we've had this
> > discussion before, remember?)
>
> It is certain that you are opposed to it.  And yes, you have ranted
> about this before.
>
> The spec still says:
>
> "It is recommended that the icons installed in the hicolor theme look
> neutral, since it is a fallback theme that will be used in combination
> with some very different looking themes"
>
> I agree that 'neutral' is a better choice of words than the previous ones.
>
> > Everyone knows you like the KDE classic icons,
>
> What would that have to do with anything even if it were true?
>
> > unforutnately nobody else really likes them anymore.
>
> I said that it made no sense (in KDE3) to rename the existing HiColor
> icons KDEClassic.  Perhaps you can explain the rational for doing this.
>   If what was wanted was to prevent people from using them, this still
> wasn't necessary.
>
> This (the statement about renaming) has nothing to do with the fact that
> I do not like CrystalSVG.  Note: NOT liking Crystal SVG does not mean
> that I like KDEClassic (what I said was that KDEClassic was more
> usable).  Perhaps you should take a (refresher) course in logic before
> someone convinces you that Socrates' cat is a dog. :-D
>
> > On Saturday 28 June 2008 22:00:18 James Richard Tyrer wrote: <snip>
> >
> >> We always say that, but if we took down the "Help NOT Wanted" sign,
> >>  we might be surprised at how much more manpower was available.
> >
> > I take offence at that.
>
> Please don't take offense at it, do something about it.  If there wasn't
> truth to it, I wouldn't say it.  We have "jpetso" and "pinheiro" being
> rather clear that they don't want help, yet the work doesn't get done.
> This is a syndrome that, unfortunately, exists in volunteer organizations.

I do want help just not yours.
your help is not needed here thanks.
 
> > You have nothing to do with the actual artwork so going around saying
> >  things like this is simply inflammatory.
>
> I presume that this means that you are willing to remove all of the
> artwork that I have done from KDE.
>
> But seriously, don't you think that this is circular reasoning?



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