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List:       kde-artists
Subject:    Re: [kde-artists] [RFC] Icons "view" & "view-close"
From:       James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj () acm ! org>
Date:       2008-05-26 9:28:44
Message-ID: 483A82CC.6070608 () acm ! org
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Jakob Petsovits wrote:
> On Monday, 26. May 2008, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>> We seem to have a long standing issue with:
>> 
>> view view-close (or view_close in KDE3)
>> 
>> In the KDE3 themes, the icon 'view' is named "view_close"..  That
>> is, these icons have no indication that there is any action
>> 'close'.
> 
> That's right, and KDE 3 apps have misused the view_close icon in
> quite a few ways. I would also like to see an 'x' in the view-close
> icon, even though I remember that someone once said it'll be better
> without that. Don't know the reasoning anymore, or even who said
> that.
> 
> I think the icon would look better with the 'x' from
> edit-delete/tab-close/... - the "simple" 'x' that you used is
> basically deprecated and onle used in two rather invisible places
> where it has not been replaced yet.

Actually, I used the "X" from "edit-delete".  It looks different in the
SVG [attached] but the reality is that most of the time it is going to
have a screen size of 5 to 10mm and none of that pretty detail is going
to show.

>> And, we are missing an icon named "view"
> 
> For which use case? Which app is going to use this icon and how?

First, as you have said, people have been misusing the icon and they are
going to want an icon without an "X" for these wrong uses.

> Also, the name "view" is not an option, for the same reasons that I
> also detailed in the dreadful "page-zoom" thread.
> 
Duh!  That is the purpose of having an icon for the generic root of a 
name tree, to fall back if that icon is missing.  We have a lot of 
"view-*" icons and it appears very unlikely that all icon themes will 
have all of them so a fallback is clearly needed.  I am at a loss to 
understand why you think that this is a bad idea.

IIUC, you think that it would be better to have the correct icon from 
the wrong theme than a fallback icon from the theme being used.  I think 
that most people will disagree with that.  Specifically, people that 
make icon themes will disagree with that.

-- 
JRT

["view-close.svgz" (application/octet-stream)]

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