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Subject:    [kde-artists] [RFC][Fwd: Re:  Missing Oxygen icons (for Okular)]
From:       James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj () acm ! org>
Date:       2008-05-21 18:48:51
Message-ID: 48346E93.6060908 () acm ! org
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So, what should we rename:

	next
	previous

These exist in some of the icon themes in KDEArtWork (CrystalSVG, , 
Tango, and GNOME themes!  I must rename them something.  I would like 
your input on this.

IIUC, I have agreed that:

	view-next
	view-previous

are not satisfactory, and we have agreed that they should be named:

	go-next-<something>
	go-previous-<something>

because they are not related to other icons in the "view" tree.

and the only issue is what "<something>" should be.  Your thinking seems 
to be that you are starting with square one with Oxygen and therefore 
question if we should have these icons.  This isn't going to work -- 
history exists and backward compatibility is needed.  These icons have 
existed since at least KDE2 -- they were in the old HiColor theme when 
it was renamed to KDEClassic.

My suggestions for "<something>" are:

	view
	document

I would be glad to hear other suggestions from other artists.  Since 
these are to be the icon names for the KDE Standard Actions:

	DocumentBack
	DocumentForward

perhaps, "document" is the best choice.

NOTE: that it is not relevant if Oxygen isn't going to have these icons 
since they will fallback to:

	go-next
	go-previous

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JRT
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [kde-artists] Missing Oxygen icons (for Okular)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:41:07 -0700
From: James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj@acm.org>
To: Jakob Petsovits <jpetso@gmx.at>
CC: kde-artists@kde.org
References: <48278686.9090207@acm.org> <200805122318.09431.jpetso@gmx.at>

Jakob Petsovits wrote:
> On Monday, 12. May 2008, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
<SNIP>
> So I currently have two major problems (challenges?) with these icons:

Use "issues" it is more neutral.

> a) Need to find an accurate suffix that indicates that it is used for 
> navigation in an ordered list, as opposed to history navigation
> that go-next and go-previous are targeting.

Actually, that is not the proposed use.  They _should_ be the icons for
the the Standard Actions:
	
	DocumentBack
	DocumentForward
	
So, yes we need a suitable word for the third level branching.  I don't
see "view" as being the best choice, but it does appear to be an
acceptable one.

> b) There are already two sets of arrow icons in KDE: arrow-* and go-*.
> The former are of course a misnomer, but I didn't manage to sort that out in 
> time for the 4.0 release. Those have traditionally been used for 
> next/previous on the one hand, and "move" on the other hand.
> Different things really, deserving different icons.

What are the "arrow-*" icons used for?  I thought that they were
deprecated and going to be replaced with specifically named icons such
as the "media-*" icons.

> With go-next-[whatever] for "order navigation", KDE would have three different 
> sets of arrow icons. Is that feasible or even a reasonable thing to do?

I think that you will find that this is the case with version 2 of KDE
and is certainly the case with KDE 3.

> Should we expect 3rd party themers to come up with a three different ideas
> of arrows, for three different purposes? Artists, what do you think?

I think that we should expect that some 3rd party themes will not
contain them.  This limits the possible names to names that will
fallback to "go-next" & "go-previous"" icons.  Which is why I suggested:

   	go-next-view
   	go-previous-view

I also note that in KDE3 they ("previous" & "next") were also used for
the Standard Actions "FindPrev" & "FindNext" for which KDE4 is using:
"go-up-search" "go-down-search".

-- 
JRT
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