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List:       kde-artists
Subject:    Re: [kde-artists] OpenDocument MIME icons
From:       David Vignoni <david () oxygen-icons ! org>
Date:       2007-05-15 11:45:06
Message-ID: 011C3F05-99FF-462B-BEF6-3633D7D94750 () oxygen-icons ! org
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Il giorno 15/mag/07, alle ore 10:35, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto:

> Robert Knight wrote:
>>> I was going to work on this but now I have been insulted by an  
>>> Oxygen developer.  He called my HiColor icons prehistoric.  
>>> Actually, that isn't an insult since they are not supposed to be  
>>> artsy, they are generic.
>> Are we talking about a mailing list or an IRC conversation?  Just  
>> to make sure that there are not two separate discussions going on  
>> in different mailing lists about this topic.

this was not an insult, did I insulted you any way? Don't think I  
have used a bad language against you?
Your icon was really old style and not compatible with the oxygen  
icon theme, I wanted to emphasize that.

> This is a migrating discussion.  It started on KDEArtist and moved  
> over
> here.
>
>> Plus, it isn't clear from your email whether this is the view of just
>>  one particular contributor to Oxygen ( who you haven't named ) or a
>>  consensus.
>
> Don't know.  The remark is on the other list.  IIUC, it was from a  
> major
> contributor.

yes, it was me, the art director of the project for the icon part. Is  
this important regarding what are the issues here?

>> Does this person agree that there is a problem with the current  
>> icons?
>
> No, he thinks that there is nothing wrong with the highly detailed  
> icons.

In fact I think that the icon at >32x32 size *must* be detailed  
icons. I also said that the small icons will have special versions  
which are not done right now.
For this reason you should talk about that issue only when you see  
the small icons when they will be availble. Current 16x16, 22x22 and  
32x32 most are placeholders.

>> I agree on the basic point about the current mimetype icons for  
>> ODF not working well at small sizes.  My main concern is that the  
>> colours
>>  used are pale and cannot be used to tell them apart.
>
> The colors become pale as they are mixed with the background color.
>
>> Here is a very common use case:  I have 20 or so documents of varying
>>  types in a folder, I am interested in the spreadsheets in  
>> particular, and want to open one to make changes.
>> http://www.robertknight.me.uk/files/kde/oxygen-odf-mimetype- 
>> problem.png
> So, as a better illustration, I made a Oxygen style icon [attached]  
> which is rendered in 64x64.  Compare this with the 6x64 Oxygen from  
> SVN.  Note that even in 64x64 that this is blurred.  The text in  
> the actual Oxygen icon is black (000000) with 80% opacity which is  
> actually darker than the lines representing text in my icon  
> (9B9B9B).  However, this 80% black is mixed with the background  
> color and results in a lighter shade in the rasterized image.  The  
> smaller the size, the lighter it gets.  I note that with the  
> similar HiColor icons that I needed to make hand optimized PNGs for  
> 48x48 and smaller to maintain the contrast.

James, reading the concerns Robert is explaining above, in which way  
do you think that icon you attached fix the pale colours he is  
talking about.
Comparing your icon to the rest of the mimetypes, where everything  
has a more realistic look and feel, I may think this is a sheet with  
some lines drawed on it, because it doesn't look like real text. The  
"lines" as "text"  approach is for small icons, like 16x16.

I know I already told you many times there will be versions for the  
small sizes, but since you still reference the current placeholder  
icons, here you can see a new version of the text mimetype as   
complete set, inlcuding optimized 16x16 and 32x32 version:


["big.png" (image/png)]
["64x64.png" (image/png)]
["32x32.png" (image/png)]
["16x16.png" (image/png)]

David Vignoni



David Vignoni, david@oxygen-icons.org
OXYGEN icon theme director and designer





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