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Subject: Re: [kde-artists] Mimetype icons
From: David Vignoni <david () oxygen-icons ! org>
Date: 2007-05-06 9:33:19
Message-ID: C80E3829-E845-432B-B138-590894107C92 () oxygen-icons ! org
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Dude,
thanks so much, that's really help. Next week is supposed to be the
source-mime week. We have been gathering information about source
mime to bring a better experience to developers.
About including text in the icons, this can be problematic, specially
if we want the text to be readable at every size. But I haven't
explored that solution very much yet. Keep looking to next week commits.
Thanks again,
David.
Il giorno 05/mag/07, alle ore 22:43, Jarosław Staniek ha scritto:
>
> Hello,
> I've tried to find out some possible (not necessary new?) issues
> with mimetype
> icons:
>
> 1. following icons could be created in a similar way as 'source-java':
> - text-css - by including 'css' word
> - text-sgml - by including 'sgml' word
> - text-x-dtd - by including 'dtd' word
>
> 2. Using </> in 'text-xml' and 'xml' icons looks clever/innovative,
> but I
> believe staying with 'xml' text or at most, '<xml>' would help more
> users to
> recognize the icon and put it in their memory
>
> 3. text-x-csharp could made the same as source-csharp
>
> 3.1. text-x-adasrc could be created using 'ada' or 'Ada' text (yes,
> just
> 'ada', because IIRC, unfortunately Ada programming language have no
> one
> standard for header/source filename extensions).
>
> 4. Consider having lowercase letters (like in 'source-java')
> instead of
> uppercase for all 'source-....' icons;
> In particular (at first contact, and IMHO): "PY" in 'source-py' and
> "H" in
> 'source-h' icon looks exotic, compared to "py", and 'h', respectively.
> That said I suspect the capitalization comes from crystalsvg theme.
>
> 4.1. 'text-x-pascal' icon could be created as "pas" (reusing filename
> extension) instead of "P"
>
> 5. Optionally: application-vnd.sun.xml.calc.svg and
> application-vnd.sun.xml.calc.template.svg could be made the same as
> application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet.svg and
> application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet-template.svg,
> respectively or
> even dropped -- I think that having '</>' sign makes the icon too
> detailed so
> for downscaling unnecessary work would be needed without clear
> benefit.
>
> 6. I would welcome application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.database-
> template
> icon with enthusiasm as there will be some database template files
> in use in
> KDE4.
>
> By the way, thanks for the great improved database mimetype and
> Kexi app
> icons!
>
> 7. Spreadshets and presentations are also a part of OpenDocument so
> I guess
> the top-left "ODF" sign will be eventually present in
> application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet.svg and
> application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation.svg too?
>
> 8. Generic 'spreadsheet' icon could be used for 'application-x-
> gnumeric',
> 'pplication-x-quattropro', 'application-x-siag', and
> 'application-x-applix-spreadsheet' because now these latter icons
> differ in
> style from all other spreadsheet icons (without clear reason?).
>
> --
> regards / pozdrawiam, Jaroslaw Staniek
> Sponsored by OpenOffice Polska (http://www.openoffice.com.pl/en)
> to work on
> Kexi & KOffice: http://www.kexi-project.org, http://www.koffice.org
> KDE3 & KDE4 Libraries for MS Windows: http://kdelibs.com, http://
> www.kde.org
> ______________________________________________________________________
> ________
> kde-artists@kde.org | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-
> artists
David Vignoni, david@oxygen-icons.org
OXYGEN icon theme director and designer
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<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: \
after-white-space; ">Dude,<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>thanks \
so much, that's really help. Next week is supposed to be the source-mime week. We \
have been gathering information about source mime to bring a better experience to \
developers.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>About including \
text in the icons, this can be problematic, specially if we want the text to be \
readable at every size. But I haven't explored that solution very much yet. Keep \
looking to next week commits.</DIV><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks again,</DIV><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>David.</DIV><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR \
class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>Il giorno 05/mag/07, alle \
ore 22:43, Jarosław Staniek ha scritto:</DIV><BR \
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: \
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; \
"><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">Hello,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've tried to find out some possible (not \
necessary new?) issues with mimetype<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> \
</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">icons:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1. \
following icons could be created in a similar way as 'source-java':</DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- \
text-css - by including 'css' word</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: \
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- text-sgml - by including 'sgml' \
word</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">- text-x-dtd - by including 'dtd' word</DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2. Using </> in 'text-xml' and 'xml' \
icons looks clever/innovative, but I<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> \
</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">believe staying with 'xml' text or at most, '<xml>' would \
help more users to<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">recognize the icon and put it in their memory</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; \
"><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">3. text-x-csharp could made the same as source-csharp</DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">3.1. text-x-adasrc could be created using \
'ada' or 'Ada' text (yes, just<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">'ada', because IIRC, unfortunately Ada programming language have no one<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">standard for header/source \
filename extensions).</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">4. \
Consider having lowercase letters (like in 'source-java') instead of<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">uppercase for all \
'source-....' icons;<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">In \
particular (at first contact, and IMHO): "PY" in 'source-py' and "H" in<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">'source-h' icon looks \
exotic, compared to "py", and 'h', respectively.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">That said I suspect the \
capitalization comes from crystalsvg theme.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; \
"><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">4.1. 'text-x-pascal' icon could be created as "pas" (reusing \
filename<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: \
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">extension) instead of \
"P"</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">5. Optionally: \
application-vnd.sun.xml.calc.svg and<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> \
</SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">application-vnd.sun.xml.calc.template.svg could be made the same \
as<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet.svg and<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet-template.svg, respectively or<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">even dropped -- I think \
that having '</>' sign makes the icon too detailed so<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">for downscaling \
unnecessary work would be needed without clear benefit.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: \
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; \
"><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">6. I would welcome \
application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.database-template<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">icon with enthusiasm as \
there will be some database template files in use in<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">KDE4.</DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">By the way, thanks for the great improved \
database mimetype and Kexi app<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">icons!</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">7. Spreadshets and \
presentations are also a part of OpenDocument so I guess<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the top-left "ODF" sign \
will be eventually present in <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet.svg and<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.presentation.svg too?</DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">8. Generic 'spreadsheet' icon could be used \
for 'application-x-gnumeric',<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">'pplication-x-quattropro', 'application-x-siag', and<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">'application-x-applix-spreadsheet' because now these latter icons differ in<SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">style from all other \
spreadsheet icons (without clear reason?).</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; \
"><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV \
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
">regards / pozdrawiam, Jaroslaw Staniek</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Sponsored by OpenOffice Polska (<A \
href="http://www.openoffice.com.pl/en">http://www.openoffice.com.pl/en</A>) to work \
on</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Kexi & KOffice: \
<A href="http://www.kexi-project.org">http://www.kexi-project.org</A>, <A \
href="http://www.koffice.org">http://www.koffice.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: \
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>KDE3 & KDE4 Libraries for MS Windows: <A \
href="http://kdelibs.com">http://kdelibs.com</A>, <A \
href="http://www.kde.org">http://www.kde.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
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font-size: 12px; ">David Vignoni, </SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" \
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