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Subject: Meeting log of today's PA3 meeting
From: Shantanu Tushar <shaan7in () gmail ! com>
Date: 2012-01-19 17:55:44
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Hi,
We had a pretty constructive meeting in #active about what we want PA3 to
become. The result is a list of use cases that will need to be fulfilled in
PA3. Details will be put up on a wiki page in a day.
The meeting log is here http://pastebin.com/yP34CER5 and attached to this
email.
Cheers,
--
Shantanu Tushar
http://www.shantanutushar.com
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[20:32:24] <notmart> so
[20:32:42] <notmart> let's see who raises the hand, all present for the meeting? :)
[20:32:51] <vgrade> \o
[20:33:25] <ivan4real> yes
[20:33:32] <sebas> o/
[20:33:39] --> ghinda (~quassel@188.24.36.183) has joined #active
[20:33:39] <colomar> I'm here
[20:34:26] <lamarque> o/
[20:34:47] <khohm> o/
[20:35:26] <lbt> o/
[20:36:37] <mdfe_> o/
[20:36:56] -*- ingwa is a filthy lurker
[20:37:08] <fbre> yep
[20:37:11] <-- afiestas_ (~asf@93.224.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has quit (Read \
error: Connection reset by peer) [20:37:42] <javier> o/
[20:38:02] <notmart> we are more or less everybody i think ;)
[20:39:32] <colomar> >
[20:40:28] <notmart> so, we could start by telling on how each one hopes to see the \
pa3, ie focusing more on what (a particular set of experimental new features? \
particular missing pieces to be a product?) whatever [20:40:37] <notmart> so we can \
put the discussion in context [20:41:50] <lamarque> I think we should make creating \
apps for PA easier. It's very important to attract more developers. [20:42:27] \
<sebas> yes, I think a good developer story should really be in place for PA3 \
[20:42:38] <ingwa> making *installation* of apps easier, á la app store. [20:43:36] \
<colomar> Sorry to interrrupt, but these seem to be already too detailed requirements \
to me. Could we please focus on a general direction first? [20:44:05] <colomar> Or \
have we already agreed on "User-ready product" as a general goal? [20:44:11] <domme> \
lamarque: you did the new halt-sleep-reboot selector, didnt you? :) [20:44:34] \
<lamarque> domme: yes, I implemented it. [20:44:55] --> afiestas \
(~asf@93.224.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has joined #active [20:44:56] <domme> \
lamarque: sorry if i am outdated, have tested it only a few weeks ago.. is there a \
way to hibernate the device with that? [20:45:56] <domme> i'm not using the tablet \
too often so when i lay it to sleep.. the battery is always empty when i try to \
switch it on ;) [20:45:57] <lamarque> only in default theme. The contour theme (used \
in Plasma Active) we decided to remove hibernate (suspend to disk) and keep only \
sleep (suspend to ram). [20:45:58] <mdfe_> domme: could you ask those questions later \
when we have finished our meeting? [20:46:01] -*- Shaan7 raises hands now o/
[20:46:15] <domme> oops, didnt know it's meeting time :P
[20:46:21] <javier> perhaps someone could change the topic?
[20:46:38] -*- domme leaves
[20:46:57] <javier> you can stay, if you want :)
[20:47:21] <notmart> so let's get back to topic
[20:47:51] <Shaan7> I guess if we want the normal joe to use PA, we should make sure \
that common usecases are satisfied and doable on PA. [20:48:20] <Shaan7> maybe have a \
list of those usecases and mark them "possible/doable" ? [20:48:22] <sebas> yep
[20:48:34] <sebas> I plan to improve the webbrowser further, I think that's the most \
important app [20:48:41] <notmart> to me yes, a priority should be polishing up and \
see what's missing to have it more product [20:48:43] <notmart> but just imo
[20:48:52] <javier> perhaps having a wizard on first boot?
[20:49:00] <colomar> So is this our goal? Or do we want to focus on creating the best \
possible devloping platform so others can help us getitng a user-ready product for \
the next release? [20:49:02] <Shaan7> javier: for setting up?
[20:49:04] <sebas> webkit2 based won't happen before PA3 unfortunately, we'll have to \
wait for Qt5 / Frameworks 5 [20:49:14] <javier> Shaan7: yep
[20:49:21] <sebas> colomar: both :)
[20:49:26] <sebas> it's not one or the other
[20:49:31] <Shaan7> chicken n egg problem ::P
[20:49:46] <colomar> sebas: Do we have enough resources to reach both goals for PA3?
[20:49:46] <ivan4real> sebas any chance of havin webbeowser qt5 soon while the eest \
is qt4? [20:50:13] <sebas> ivan4real: hardly, we'll want kdewebkit pieces
[20:50:19] <-- trueg (~trueg@88.130.204.67) has quit
[20:50:23] <sebas> and those rely heavly on QWebPage, which will change big time
[20:50:24] <ivan4real> ok
[20:50:27] <colomar> If we do, I'm all for it. But we have to avoid getting half-way \
to both goals but not reaching any of them [20:50:46] <mdfe_> ack
[20:51:01] -*- notmart thinks the two goals are the same, really
[20:51:23] <Shaan7> as I said, its almost the chicken n egg problem
[20:51:37] <Shaan7> no devs => no apps => no users or no users => no devs :/
[20:52:05] <Shaan7> so yea, doing both is important
[20:52:27] <-- yue (~quassel@110.251.138.66) has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 \
seconds.) [20:52:34] <vgrade> also have to consider devices in that loop
[20:52:38] <Shaan7> javier: I guess launching the systemsettings app at first boot \
should do, its quite simple I suppose? [20:52:40] <lamarque> Shaan7: yes, but devs \
needs good documentation about the API. Users need good wizards and easy to use apps \
to guide them. [20:52:52] <sebas> For PA2, we wanted to make specific usecases work, \
is that still our plan? [20:52:57] <ivan4real> guess that having harmattan apps to \
work on pa could be nice [20:53:05] <Shaan7> sebas: I like that plan
[20:53:16] <sebas> I'm actually missing some very basic things, such as "sending a \
link to the tablet" from my desktop for reading it later [20:53:30] <javier> Shaan7: \
that plus other things like connecting to your home wireless network [20:53:33] \
<sebas> that's within SLC area, partly [20:53:57] <sebas> also the picture workflow
[20:53:59] <colomar> For the product goal, we definitely need usecases completed. \
However, many of the usecases we developed during the last sprint were really cool, \
but rather non-basic [20:54:04] -*- Shaan7 is all with the satisfy usecases idea
[20:54:14] <lamarque> sebas: we really need a way to sync data through USB or even \
Internet. Smartphones used to come with such programs, like the PC Suite for Nokia \
phones. [20:54:15] <Shaan7> sebas: do we have a list of usecases?
[20:54:22] <sebas> so for that, we'd need to check what pieces are missing to \
complete these workflows [20:54:41] <sebas> lamarque: yes, that's another such \
possible usecase, importing data [20:54:58] <sebas> partly overlaps with the images \
(as in "importing images from phone / camera") [20:55:04] <sebas> and again: sharing \
of images [20:55:24] <Shaan7> sorry for asking again, but do we have a list of such \
usecases? will be useful :) [20:55:41] <ivan4real> and activity syncing
[20:55:46] <colomar> sebas: I'd say we first need to define all the basic usecases. \
The scenarios we have are rather "look what we can do!", not necessarily the basic \
must-haves [20:56:01] <Shaan7> +1
[20:56:05] <sebas> colomar: yes, that's the first step
[20:56:05] <mdfe_> +1
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[20:56:12] <Shaan7> wiki? etherpad?
[20:56:29] <sebas> then we need to look into how they should work, and then what's \
missing, then implement it, then fix it, then release it [20:56:39] <colomar> Shaan7: \
I'd say Wiki [20:56:49] <colomar> That's what we're mostly using so far
[20:56:52] <aseigo> wiki for end results
[20:57:03] <aseigo> something collaborative for in-meeting editting
[20:57:04] <Shaan7> colomar: if we all go right now and edit the wiki, kaboom!
[20:57:15] <colomar> Yes
[20:57:18] <Shaan7> aseigo: exactly
[20:57:29] <notmart> somebody has an etherpad instance?
[20:57:29] <colomar> I meant for the end results ;)
[20:57:43] <sebas> I don't have one
[20:57:50] <sebas> can just as jeff, maybe he's online
[20:57:53] <notmart> yeah, for the end result, dump it on the wiki or they get lost \
;) [20:57:57] -*- Shaan7 has, but for conf.kde.in planning :P
[20:58:21] <aseigo> http://notes.kde.org/plasma <--- use that for now...
[20:58:29] <Shaan7> ah works
[20:58:59] <notmart> cool :)
[20:59:00] <aseigo> and please put your names in there.. helpful
[20:59:03] <colomar> Is it okay if we clear it first?
[20:59:22] <aseigo> colomar: no, and it isn't necessary to do so
[20:59:40] <colomar> ok
[21:00:08] <notmart> Importing photos from phone / camera, sorting, sharing are kinda \
separate things i think... same workflow, but touches almost everything ;) [21:00:33] \
<aseigo> sebas: you know, it has occured to me that if we were able to synchronize \
activities, that moving urls, etc would be handled already [21:00:59] <sebas> aseigo: \
yes [21:01:00] -*- unormal is back now as well.
[21:01:10] <colomar> aseigo: +1
[21:01:12] <sebas> some interfacing with bookmarks sharing services would still be \
nice [21:03:42] <sebas> k, editing frenzy is slowing down
[21:03:52] <aseigo> sebas: would be nice to use owncloud for that
[21:04:18] <Shaan7> ah yea, owncloud == free sync
[21:04:41] <sebas> yep
[21:04:54] <sebas> I should install that some day
[21:05:14] <sebas> ownCloud implements Open Collaboration Services?
[21:05:29] <notmart> Shaan7: free-ish, you should alwayswrite a client to talk to it \
:p [21:05:57] <javier> sebas: I think so. weren't both things started by the same \
person (Frank)? [21:06:15] <Shaan7> notmart: yep, so if the tablet runs a owncloud \
instance, the user could just browse to the tablet's (ip?) and copy stuff over \
[21:06:20] <sebas> yes, doesn't mean he talks to .. himself ;) [21:06:21] <Shaan7> \
javier: yes they were [21:06:28] <aseigo> sebas: i think it's mostly webdav based
[21:06:44] <sebas> still fine with KIO then
[21:06:48] -*- aseigo doesn't see, really, how OCS would map to ownCloud, but who \
knows... [21:06:52] <Shaan7> yep, works flawlessly
[21:06:57] <sebas> should work pretty much transparantly for most things
[21:07:12] <sebas> maybe there is a more "fine grained" API for non-file data
[21:07:26] <Shaan7> well the useful part for us is, just mount a webdav share on \
user's machine and the user copies music etc to it [21:07:29] <javier> "the web \
interface is using HTML5 and we support other open standards like the Open \
Collaboration Services or Ampache for media streaming" [21:07:54] <colomar> I think \
owncloud support would be great, but we need to offer alternatives, I guess. Not \
every user would want to set up owncloud to sync stuff with his tablet [21:07:57] \
<notmart> sebas: iirc they considered syncml for things like addressbooks,calendars \
etc [21:08:06] <notmart> dunno if is something actually implemented
[21:08:07] <sebas> hmm
[21:08:11] -*- sebas neither
[21:08:15] <trebor__> ile 4: 24867 Ungültiger Maschinenbefehl \
LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/lib/virtualbox${LD_LIBRARY_PATH:+:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH}" \
/usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox $@ [21:08:16] <trebor__> trebor@central-unit:~> excuse \
me for little break. according for usecases. i have one personally suggestion. think \
about text/pdf/ebook reading. mark text. sort texts in projects. would be useful for \
university or also business. the only reason I would buy a tablet [21:08:18] <Shaan7> \
colomar: i'm thinking of something crazy so that they wont need to :P [21:08:19] \
<sebas> could ask though :) [21:08:40] <Shaan7> Will it be feasible to run a owncloud \
instance on the tablet itself? [21:08:51] <notmart> trebor__: added ebook reading to \
the list [21:08:51] <sebas> why would you?
[21:09:06] <aseigo> Shaan7: in theory yes.
[21:09:08] <sebas> it will be offline most of the time for other machines
[21:09:22] <sebas> yeah, in theory you can run it on the same machine
[21:09:24] <Shaan7> sebas: so then I use my PC to goto http://tablet and copy my \
files [21:09:32] <Shaan7> and because we package it, user doesnt need to set it up
[21:09:33] <notmart> yeah, i see it more as a passive client
[21:09:49] <sebas> Shaan7: you can user your PC and go to fish://tablet already, not \
ownCloud needed :) [21:09:53] <-- rnovacek (radek@nat/redhat/x-zvcererefbqwpcot) has \
quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:09:57] <sebas> just enable ssh server
[21:10:24] -*- notmart would more like to say to his owncloud server (doesn't matter \
installed where) what files i want on my tablet, and then the tablet will \
independently download what's needed (tm) [21:10:28] <Shaan7> ah, I didnt know fish, \
have been using the terminal and rsync'ing till now [21:10:55] <Shaan7> notmart: will \
need to add some magic to owncloud for that ;) [21:10:56] <sebas> Shaan7: so 70s...
[21:11:00] <Shaan7> :P
[21:11:43] <sebas> I don't even know if ownCloud specifically does bookmarks
[21:11:51] <Shaan7> sebas: yep works like a charm, wonder why i never saw this before \
O_o [21:11:52] <sebas> or newsfeeds, read/unread
[21:11:59] <sebas> Shaan7: \o/
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[21:12:45] <notmart> Shaan7: yeah, this feature is there from like 2002 (working with \
kate on a file over ssh rocks) we just suck at promoting :p [21:12:57] <Shaan7> \
seriously [21:13:39] <Shaan7> so maybe just make fish:// more discoverable to the \
user? [21:13:41] <-- ivan4real (~user@net194-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has quit (Read \
error: Connection reset by peer) [21:13:42] <aseigo> where from here? we have a list \
in random order of various use cases... [21:13:48] <sebas> Shaan7: welcome to the \
wonderful world of KDE3 ;) [21:13:51] <notmart> Shaan7: bit ot now ;)
[21:13:59] <colomar> Seems like we mixed up usecases with requirements a little (I'm \
guilty here as well), but we can clean that up later ;) [21:14:03] <Shaan7> ah, so \
what do we use now? [21:14:08] <javier> a file manager another thing
[21:14:13] <notmart> aseigo: prioritizing? wondering for each one what needs to be \
done [21:14:23] <notmart> and say this we can do, this is unlikely etc
[21:14:45] <notmart> then from that i would like to have a more specific definition \
of what needs to be done [21:14:46] <colomar> Maybe group them first, then prioritize
[21:14:56] <sebas> yep
[21:15:01] <notmart> like "write an slc plugin" or write c bookmark sync client to \
owncloud [21:15:08] <aseigo> notmart: isn't it a little difficult to know if it is \
unlikely without having a slightly more specific definition? [21:15:13] <notmart> yes
[21:15:24] -*- aseigo is in favour of grouping.
[21:15:29] <aseigo> (as a first step)
[21:18:50] <sebas> ok, prioritizing
[21:19:20] <sebas> to me personally, the Browsing part is pretty important
[21:19:20] <Shaan7> color coding sucks
[21:19:50] <lamarque> tell me about it, I am daltonian :)
[21:20:00] <notmart> so now we shuffle the list of write a new one?
[21:20:23] <sebas> either is fine with me :)
[21:20:30] <Shaan7> lamarque: one place where you can be happy :P
[21:20:34] <colomar> Maybe first assign numbers, then reorder?
[21:21:20] <aseigo> i don't think we can prioritize with such a list
[21:21:26] <aseigo> there isn't enough information
[21:21:40] <notmart> so, elaborating the points
[21:21:59] <colomar> +1
[21:22:03] <aseigo> notmart: personally, i think that is a take-away task
[21:22:12] <notmart> uh?
[21:22:33] -*- Shaan7 saw take away at dominos :P
[21:22:50] <sebas> yeah, maybe we try to nail it down one by one
[21:23:02] <aseigo> i would love to see each point there championed by one or more \
individuals who then creates a small but standardized set of information describing \
the task goals (what and why), proposed solution and estimation of cost [21:23:22] \
<aseigo> the points that nobody champions gets swept to the side [21:23:32] <sebas> I \
can take on the browsing task then [21:23:52] <Shaan7> lets just start adding \
descriptions .. [21:24:01] <aseigo> the items that do get such an item for them would \
then be prioritized by us together -> "in" or "out" for PA3.. items can be punted to \
future releases as needed [21:24:06] <notmart> can do the shell one
[21:24:14] <aseigo> i see two things missing still.. make that 3...
[21:24:14] <notmart> then pick something else like file handling
[21:24:35] <aseigo> 1) data security layer (already being worked on, no?)
[21:24:52] <notmart> yeah, added it as encrypted activities
[21:24:57] <aseigo> 2) sync of activities
[21:25:20] <colomar> aseigo: Should it really be binary decisions? In that case we'd \
need to look at the list form time to time and see if we have to drop more or can add \
more, unless our estimates are really really good ;) [21:25:23] <aseigo> 3) a pet \
issue of mine ... integrating sleep/shutdown with the lock screen to get rid of that \
duplication [21:25:45] <aseigo> colomar: yes, as tasks get completed, more get picked \
up [21:25:48] <-- allee (~quassel@allee.mpe.mpg.de) has quit (Remote host closed the \
connection) [21:26:02] <notmart> aseigo: added those 3 under device shell
[21:26:05] -*- aseigo notes this should be familiar by now to most plasma devs ... \
though we are missing the sticky notes ;) [21:26:39] <aseigo> so ... first thing i \
like about this is that it very application centric [21:26:50] <notmart> eh :)
[21:27:20] <notmart> problem of the interwebs is that you can't have real sticky \
notes and stick them on the hair of other people when you are done :p [21:27:24] \
<aseigo> there's a natural shift away from concentrating fully on the shell itself. \
huzzah for that [21:27:32] <aseigo> notmart: indeed. the internet sucks ;)
[21:27:41] <colomar> Maybe we should borrow some concepts from Scrum anyway, but \
that's a different topic ;) [21:28:35] <colomar> I love the "few weeks sprints with \
review and planning in-between" stuff [21:28:52] <aseigo> colomar: we discussed that \
and even tried it after the first plasma active meeting [21:29:14] <sebas> scrum \
seems to work a lot better if we're in the same room [21:29:17] --> allee \
(~quassel@allee.mpe.mpg.de) has joined #active [21:29:34] <sebas> I think we'll do \
our usual "knock things off the list" thing [21:29:38] <notmart> few of us are \
keeping up with icescrum.. [21:29:40] -*- Shaan7 brb, call
[21:29:55] <notmart> where seems to fail is to work at all with occasional \
contributors [21:30:17] <colomar> hm maybe
[21:30:17] <aseigo> notmart: yep
[21:30:43] <colomar> Although taking a look at where we stand form time to time might \
still help, although in a less ofrmal way [21:31:07] <colomar> o <> f
[21:31:11] <aseigo> so... standard layout for proposed actions ..
[21:31:21] -*- notmart remembers the icescrum page of plasma desktop.. did work \
perfectly just until we were all in the same house :p [21:31:59] <colomar> aseigo: \
What, why, and how? [21:32:11] <notmart> colomar: yes, absolutely, otherwise ends up \
in a bunch of abstract stuff that won't get done [21:32:13] <aseigo> + effort \
estimation [21:32:46] <sebas> + clearly defined usage scenario
[21:32:49] <notmart> + also a who ;)
[21:33:13] <sebas> + depedencies with other tasks
[21:33:16] <colomar> I can surely do some of the what and why stuff, but the \
technical part of the "how" and the estimation would be tricky for me ;) [21:34:40] \
<Shaan7> colomar: estimation is always tricky [21:34:56] <colomar> Yes. But even more \
if you don't code [21:35:05] <sebas> logarithmic scales for that make sense :)
[21:35:05] <Shaan7> ah
[21:35:22] <sebas> "If I don't get it done today, I'll have the rest of the week for \
it" ;) [21:36:11] -*- sebas sees aseigo thinking out loud on etherpad
[21:36:14] -*- ivan|home finally got back
[21:36:38] <ivan|home> imo, it is wrong to do a owncloud sync -- we need something \
that will be able to sync to anything [21:36:39] <aseigo> sebas: and trying to \
capture what you are putting here... [21:36:46] <ivan|home> cal - anything that has \
caldav [21:36:55] <ivan|home> stuff - any ftp webdav etc.
[21:36:57] <ivan|home> ...
[21:37:21] <sebas> ivan|home: i think we'll need different synchers at the same time
[21:37:34] <aseigo> ivan|home: if there was a way to offer people easy access to \
owncloud instances, i'd rather have nice integration (e.g. zero config set up) than \
have something that works with anything but requires tons of set up [21:37:59] \
<aseigo> having one thing that works great is a huge win over having all \
possibilities, all of which are a PITA [21:38:03] -*- aseigo looks at kontact
[21:38:34] <notmart> that is also a part quite tricky to estimate since i don't think \
any of us already digged in to that, ie what would be required to get done on our \
part, on ownclud part etc [21:38:36] <aseigo> it's a huge win because people will \
actually use it. [21:38:59] <ivan|home> from my pov - we should have a global account \
setup thingie, the thingie would know that owncloud provides webdav, caldav and \
whatever else and all interested apps would be able to work with it [21:39:24] \
<ivan|home> something like telepathy - you set the accounts - and then the service \
tells you which capabilities it has [21:39:39] <ivan|home> it has google talk set \
upper :) and jabber separated [21:39:44] <ivan|home> although it is the same thing
[21:39:51] <notmart> global account setup, good point, that would be needed also for \
slc plugins for instance [21:39:55] <ivan|home> so you get the power as well as the \
simple setup [21:40:03] <notmart> that will be a dependency for a fair amount of \
points [21:40:21] <ivan|home> notmart: yes, slc, sync, kontact, im, microblogging etc
[21:40:51] <ivan|home> for example - slc would go like this:
[21:41:02] <ivan|home> 1. oh, im getting image/png
[21:41:12] <ivan|home> 2. get me all stuff where I can send an image
[21:41:21] <aseigo> while that is workable for something like IM, facebookish sites, \
micrblogging, etc.. i am a lot more sceptical, based on experience, that it can be \
done as smoothly for a data sync solution [21:41:26] <ivan|home> 2. the accounts \
returned - twitter, fb, picasa ... email [21:41:30] <aseigo> and yes, a global \
accounts manager is something that ought to be on the hitlist. [21:42:21] <ivan|home> \
aseigo: sync would be more difficult, I agree, but I think that we could pull out \
some general stuff that applies to most sync things [21:42:41] <unormal> About \
telepathy I can contact them as I'm already in contact with mck182 and drf about some \
video chat/KDE telepathy solution. Or is there a telepathy guy already here? \
[21:42:47] <ivan|home> my worry is that if we go oC only, we will have a quite small \
audience [21:43:02] <notmart> isn't a bit early to go in detail about this when we \
don't know exactly what owncloud uses yet? :p [21:43:09] <notmart> (just to keep \
things on the rails) [21:43:23] <ivan|home> ok :) (though it uses webdav :) )
[21:44:07] <notmart> so that's a non issue, webdaw support with enough presets to \
make it work with 0 effort on pwncloud ;) [21:45:19] <notmart> let's get more \
concrete, so now let's expand the individual points, everybody takes a task? \
[21:45:39] <aseigo> i think people should take the tasks they are directly interested \
in [21:45:42] <aseigo> see what gets left out
[21:45:51] <aseigo> and then potentially do a second round
[21:46:36] <aseigo> personally, i'd like to see these proposals hit the mailing list \
... have discussion on them there ... move them to the wiki as they appear (after any \
discussion) ... which means we would need someone doing that (not a big task really) \
[21:46:59] <aseigo> discusion -> e.g. on the proposed implementation, if there are \
points that need addressing, etc. [21:47:09] <colomar> I can't do anything on my own, \
but will of course cooperate on the UX/design part of things were applicable \
[21:47:10] <sebas> yep, makes sense [21:47:22] <sebas> I'll pick the browsing one
[21:47:49] <ivan|home> can somebody post the link again? (i'm not ivan4real anymore \
:) ) [21:48:03] <colomar> http://notes.kde.org/plasma
[21:48:06] <ivan|home> thx
[21:48:14] -*- aseigo will do keyboard, lock screen and ebook reading items
[21:48:23] -*- Shaan7 will do calligra, will check how good is kamoso and improve \
where necessary [21:48:29] --> leinir (~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir) has joined \
#active [21:48:39] <vgrade> vgrade, new devices
[21:48:41] <Shaan7> can we use marble's fremantle version directly?
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[21:49:19] <mdfe_> vgrade: +1
[21:49:38] -*- Shaan7 waves to ksinny
[21:50:13] <ksinny> oops, did i miss the meeting?
[21:50:43] <sebas> ksinny: http://notes.kde.org/plasma yes, more or less
[21:50:47] <sebas> we're not quite done yet
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[21:51:05] <ksinny> sebas: ah, thanks :)
[21:51:09] <notmart> ksinny: still something going on, backlog will be published
[21:51:25] --> annma_ (~annma@AToulouse-256-1-15-98.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined \
#active [21:51:34] -*- ksinny looks to the log
[21:51:51] <sebas> ksinny: want me to paste it to your query?
[21:52:15] <colomar> I'll take UI guidelines (which I just added ;), thy scenario and \
why part of file browsing and keyboard layout improvements (I might even be able to \
implement those, since it's XML, right?) [21:52:55] <aseigo> colomar: great. :)
[21:53:05] <ksinny> sebas: yes, pastebin will be good idea
[21:53:05] <sebas> vgrade: cool stuff
[21:54:09] <sebas> ksinny: http://paste.kde.org/189188
[21:54:36] <ksinny> sebas: thanks :)
[21:54:50] <sebas> you're welcome
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[21:55:18] <sebas> so we'll come back with filled in task definitions, improve them \
on the ML and then get cracking? [21:57:11] <-- pinheiro \
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[21:59:08] <Shaan7> sebas: maybe copy+paste them on wiki first? [21:59:45] <-> annma_ \
is now known as annma [21:59:53] <sebas> Shaan7: yes, wanna do that and post the link \
to the ML? [21:59:58] <sebas> Possibly along with this chatlog
[21:59:59] <-- annma (~annma@AToulouse-256-1-15-98.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) has quit \
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[22:00:09] <Shaan7> sebas: yep, should work :)
[22:00:16] <Shaan7> will do it
[22:00:17] <sebas> ok, cool :)
[22:00:18] <sebas> thanks
[22:00:34] <Shaan7> are we done with editing the pad?
[22:00:43] <notmart> yeah, but to transfer on the wiki should wait more work has been \
done, otherwise syncronization issues [22:00:49] <Shaan7> yep
[22:02:20] <ksinny> Shaan7: I guess PMC can do pretty well with the music/video stuff \
there, isnt it? [22:02:40] <Shaan7> ksinny: yea if we can get apachelogger to merge \
the qml branch with master [22:03:29] -*- notmart isn't sure would be ready for pa3 \
timeframe tough [22:03:33] <ksinny> I asked him few weeks before but he said he \
doesn't feel motivated for it, will ask him again:) [22:03:43] <unormal> Shaan7, \
ksinny: What's the status of PMC? Is there any Nepomuk integration? [22:03:57] \
<Shaan7> unormal: it gets data from PA models, so yea [22:04:02] <ksinny> unormal: \
yes, there is [22:04:34] <ksinny> sebas: aseigo^
[22:04:37] <aseigo> one (or both together) of you should submit a proposal for that
[22:04:48] <Shaan7> notmart: well frankly, its not broken any longer, does all the \
basic stuff [22:04:57] <Shaan7> just the phonon-qml not being in master :/
[22:05:11] <sebas> ksinny: asking him again would be nice yeah
[22:05:42] <ksinny> all the basic stuffs are working fine
[22:06:00] <notmart> that's good to hear
[22:06:12] <ksinny> only a bit problem happen due to phonon:(
[22:06:37] <ksinny> aseigo: submit proposal? didn't get you
[22:06:46] <notmart> that also gets to the question do we use that in pa or \
qmultimediakit ;) [22:07:07] <sebas> I'd prefer phonon
[22:07:17] <sebas> qt-mobility isn't really that great
[22:07:28] <notmart> eheh, indeed ;)
[22:07:31] <Shaan7> +1
[22:07:34] <sebas> QtMultimedia will be its own module in Qt5
[22:09:53] <-- jreznik (jreznik@nat/redhat/x-otradbgcdtgcoknx) has quit (Quit: \
Konversation terminated!) [22:11:42] <Shaan7> what do the numbers next to the items \
mean? [22:12:23] <aseigo> first one is away
[22:12:33] <aseigo> ksinny: are you on the active@kde.org mailing list?
[22:13:23] <unormal> Shaan7: estimation of effort.
[22:13:37] <unormal> See at the top in etherpad about the definition.
[22:13:54] <Shaan7> ah ok thanks
[22:13:59] <ksinny> aseigo: yes
[22:14:34] <aseigo> ksinny: see the most recent email there that has a subject that \
starts with Task Proposal: [22:14:35] <Shaan7> sebas: is it possible to have a PA \
package phonon-qml which contains phonon from the qml branch? [22:14:52] <aseigo> \
ksinny: one of those for PMC integration with PA would help us figure out how to \
accmplish that [22:15:06] <sebas> Shaan7: possible, yes
[22:15:12] <Shaan7> the last time I asked apachelogger he said "i am lacking \
motivatation to do the merge" [22:15:18] <sebas> mdfe_ is quicker these days with \
packaging stuff though [22:17:36] <Shaan7> mdfe_: um, so can you do that? (create a \
package phonon-qml which builds phonon from branch "qml"( [22:17:41] <ksinny> aseigo: \
ok will try that. If someone could package it on OBS for PA, it'll be great. I'm \
stuck there, because i need to see how the experience comes out [22:20:44] <-- leinir \
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<mdfe_> Shaan7: sure, just point me to the repo [22:25:14] <Shaan7> mdfe_: \
https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon/repository [22:25:23] \
<colomar> Okay, so we're basically done for today? Will the log be posted to the \
mailing list or should I save it (I'm on a web client here)? [22:25:29] <Shaan7> \
mdfe_: and https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-gstreamer/repository
[22:25:45] <notmart> colomar: the irc part yes i think, now festival of emails ;)
[22:25:56] <mdfe_> thx
[22:25:58] <Shaan7> mdfe_: qml branches of both, maybe call them phonon-qml and \
phonon-gstreamer-backend-qml (or according to your/PA naming schemes) [22:26:31] \
<mdfe_> k [22:27:16] <colomar> So I'm off then. See you all!
[22:27:44] <-- colomar (8253ef90@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.83.239.144) has quit
[22:28:42] <Shaan7> are we done with the pad?
[22:28:57] <notmart> Shaan7: i think so
[22:29:05] <notmart> authenticator task arrived
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