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Subject:    Re: [Kde-accessibility] System Bell
From:       Jeremy Whiting <jpwhiting () kde ! org>
Date:       2015-01-05 17:03:46
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Frederik,

I agree that it's probably not used anymore. However I don't think the
subscribers to the kde-accessibility list are very many. Maybe send the
same mail to kde-devel@kde.org or something to get a wider audience? I like
the idea of making these things use real notifications as Peter suggested
though also.

BR,
Jeremy

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Peter Grasch <peter@grasch.net> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> > Being primarily a GNOME/MATE screen reader user, I may be way off base
> here, but there are some cases where I still hear a system bell, which is
> generally replaced by a sound when using Pulseaudio.
> The very fact that the actual system bell is "generally replaced" means
> we're talking about something better suited for a "normal" notification.
> The examples you mentioned are good indicators: There is no upside (that I
> can see) for these being system bell events instead of notifications.
> However, there is the big downside of having to maintain a completely
> different means of notification delivery.
>
> > I can see where a visual system bell replacement would be important to
> deaf users in the same way, although they are probably better able to see
> cursors and such. Still, there are some bell alerts that may not be
> immediately apparent without some sort of visual feedback.
> If the events that are now system bell events would become notifications,
> then they can easily have visual component as well. Actually the very fact
> of moving them to the notification system means that they can then be
> configured through the usual notification settings.
>
> All in all: Big +1 on Frederik's proposal.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter
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<div dir="ltr">Frederik,<div><br></div><div>I agree that it&#39;s probably not used \
anymore. However I don&#39;t think the subscribers to the kde-accessibility list are \
very many. Maybe send the same mail to <a \
href="mailto:kde-devel@kde.org">kde-devel@kde.org</a> or something to get a wider \
audience? I like the idea of making these things use real notifications as Peter \
suggested though also.</div><div><br></div><div>BR,</div><div>Jeremy</div></div><div \
class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:56 AM, \
Peter Grasch <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:peter@grasch.net" \
target="_blank">peter@grasch.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey,<br> <span class=""><br>
&gt; Being primarily a GNOME/MATE screen reader user, I may be way off base here, but \
there are some cases where I still hear a system bell, which is generally replaced by \
a sound when using Pulseaudio.<br> </span>The very fact that the actual system bell \
is "generally replaced" means we're talking about something better suited for a \
"normal" notification.<br> The examples you mentioned are good indicators: There is \
no upside (that I can see) for these being system bell events instead of \
notifications. However, there is the big downside of having to maintain a completely \
different means of notification delivery.<br> <span class=""><br>
&gt; I can see where a visual system bell replacement would be important to deaf \
users in the same way, although they are probably better able to see cursors and \
such. Still, there are some bell alerts that may not be immediately apparent without \
some sort of visual feedback.<br> </span>If the events that are now system bell \
events would become notifications, then they can easily have visual component as \
well. Actually the very fact of moving them to the notification system means that \
they can then be configured through the usual notification settings.<br> <br>
All in all: Big +1 on Frederik's proposal.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Peter<br>
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