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List:       kde
Subject:    Re: Thoughts of a KDE sceptic
From:       Mosfet <mosfet () jorsm ! com>
Date:       1999-11-17 11:14:03
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I care because I am stuck getting all this email about what people think
other people should be developing in their free time for fun. This list
has become almost completely noise and has degenerated into almost
nothing but whining. People bitching about toolkits and licensing that
should be on kde-licensing, people talking about UI issues that should
be on kde-look, people whining about free software that was developed...
I can't believe the gall you people have to waste my time and other
developers time by long threads about what you believe they should be
working on in their spare time. Unbelievable. 

I personally have used Unix for ~10 years now (since I was a teenager
and long before Linux existed) and the widget set and style of Xaw apps
blows. I am glad there are KDE versions, and I recently made both KDvi
and KGhostView be able to browse documents transparently over the
internet in less than one day, something unthinkable with their Xaw
equivalents. If you don't like it fine, but where do you get off telling
people what they should and should not code? Again, unbelievable the
nerve some people have.

"Seak, Teng-Fong" wrote:
> 
> Mosfet wrote:
> 
> > KDvi and KGhostView was written because someone wanted to write it. That
> > simple. Quit bitching at people who decided to provide you with more free
> > software than you would have had otherwise. You are not these people's manager
> > and I doubt they really care about your opinion on what they should or should
> > not code.
> 
>      Well, the same that they have their freedom to do whatever they want without
> caring what we say, I've my freedom to say whatever I want.  Why did you care
> then?  :p
> 
>      On one hand, the fact is that making a software is not a one-man-show.  The
> first golden rule of programming: the programmer must put himself in a user's
> viewpoint / position while making his programmer.  Or else, the programme will be
> hard to use.  (Thinking that what I've just written is bullshit?  Check it up in
> books and you'll see)  Now, to do this is very hard, so user feedback is
> necessary.  However, if an author is so obstinate as to just to listen to himself
> (well anyway as he likes) he shouldn't expect his programme to be used willingly
> by others.
> 
>      On the other hand, I don't mind if they make their code in their own time,
> but what didn't take up the whole projet and add in KDE layer / widget?  My
> viewpoint is that why re-invent the wheel instead of taking an existent wheel and
> improve on it?  Well, actually, re-invent whatever one wants is his own matter.
> But now the reinvented wheel seems to be a disgraded version of the existent one
> does matter.  Showing only this wheel to new users who are not aware of the
> existence of the other one does really matter.  Well, it's OK to show one's
> product.  I don't mind and I'm willing to give feedback and help debug but if and
> only if it's a new program/project.  It's no fun to correct bugs which have been
> corrected in another version, to improve things which have been improved, etc,
> etc.  Why double effort to achieve the same goal?
> 
>      I like to use KDE is mostly because of its file manager which allows us to
> open associated documents simply by clicking on it.  So, please make it simple to
> let user choose their tools.  I'm still looking a way to make KLyX run xdvi and
> gv.
> 
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