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List:       kde
Subject:    Re: Lockup in KDE
From:       CLIFFORD ILKAY <clifford_ilkay () dinamis ! com>
Date:       1999-08-13 3:33:47
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I have looked at Caldera. Aside from its installer, which is only
marginally better, there is nothing compelling about Caldera. I much prefer
Linuxconf to COAS (Caldera Open Administration System). If you cannot make
a go of it with Mandrake, I doubt you will be any happier with Caldera.

Linux is really the kernel and all distributions pretty much use the same
kernel. It is the stuff on top of it that differentiates one distribution
from another. Given your comments about Linux, "Neanderthal command line
interfaces", and your apparent level of knowledge, Linux does not sound
like a good fit for you. e.g. if you do not know what telnet is, chances
are, you have a very steep learning curve ahead of you. Hint: take a look
at the Accessories group in Windows sometime and you will find a Telnet
client.

Linux was cooperatively developed by thousands of dedicated people who
willingly donated their time and brains to this effort. Could the docs be
better? Absolutely! However, I did not start life on Linux and if I can
figure it out, so can you. I am a long time Mac OS developer who made the
transition to Windows in the mid 1990s and only started using Linux a year
ago. Of all the GUIs that I have worked with, KDE is one of the nicer ones.
It has borrowed the best elements of the Mac OS, Windows, and NeXTStep. I
think it needs to be more stable but all in all, it is no worse than say,
Windows Explorer in NT 4. Let me put it this way, I have only seen one
crash that brought down the whole OS in a year with over two dozen systems
and that was arguably because I was doing something stupid. With Mandrake
5.3 and KDE, I had logged in as root (a bad idea) and was running Control
Panel. When I exited X and restarted X, as soon as it attempted to start
Control Panel, the machine did a reset, i.e. I was at the POST sequence.

Of the three desktop managers I have used, here is how I would rate them
from best to worst.

Resource utilization: fvwm95, KDE, GNOME
Stability: fvwm95, KDE, GNOME
Speed: fvwm95, KDE, GNOME
Richness of GUI: KDE, GNOME, fvwm95

I have managed to become somewhat proficient using Linux only through
persistence, the right attitude, helpful friends, helpful people on mailing
lists and newsgroups, lots of time reading HOWTOS, man pages, Web pages,
and Dejanews search results. I can appreciate how frustrating it is not to
know what to type to the right of man. This is where Dejanews
<http://www.deja.com> comes in. Chances are, if you are having a problem,
someone else has also had it and found a solution to it. Obviously,
Mandrake, RedHat, Caldera, Debian, and others must work for somebody and
people are getting real work done with these systems. If you adopt the
attitude that "If someone else can get this working, so can I.", I think
you will have better results. Also, reinstalling the OS a dozen times is
not a troubleshooting technique. That is what a Windows user would do since
he has precious few options when things get really bent out of shape. Did
you expect that by some miracle that you were going to get lucky on the
12th installation:)?

Others have been generous enough to give you a few suggestions of things to
try. In case you did not notice, I posted a response to another message in
this thread indicating that I had similar problems to yours but that I have
a work around.

At 08:18 PM 8/12/1999 +1000, Doug Young wrote:
>Thanks Rob ..... sure doesn't sound like Mandrake is a good idea does it ??
>
>Someone from the KDE list suggested Caldera Open Linux ..... I have an
>unused copy here  I got at an Oracle seminar ...... looks to be based on
>Redhat 6 with KDE ..... might be worth a try I guess, but after all the
>trouble
>linux has given I'm thinking more along the lines of a Solaris  Server /
>Windows office client setup. If linux / KDE worked reliably with Netscape /
>StarOffice, it might be a contender,but it it can't make friends with both
>of those applications its totally useless to me.

Regards,

Clifford Ilkay
Dinamis Corporation
3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419
Toronto, Ontario
Canada M4N 3P6

Voice/Fax: 416-410-3326

mailto:clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com
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