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List:       kde
Subject:    Re: A couple of kde-related problems
From:       Albert Wagner <alwagner () tcac ! net>
Date:       1999-07-06 21:27:42
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I think you did a damned fine job.  You should be proud.  

George Hademenos wrote:
> 
> Albert this is the problem indeed....the people are already learning about the -i command
> to instantly install usable binaries with package managers and with KDE tools and GNOME
> tools they no longer need us.....Our great programmers have taken the very complex issues
> and reduced them to simplicity so that novices can be up and running in minutes without
> us....and they have done all this for free for the entire world....how will i ever sell
> my 100000 page boring, technical, and obfuscating manuals to the general public once they
> find out how easy it is to fire up KDE or GNOME and get everything they want to do done
> very quickly and very easily. and not only this but it is all free and available to
> everyone rich or poor.  I once tried to explain the difference between a fine-grained and
> a course-grained kernel to an ISP and they responded: I am not going to get into
> Operating System Theory....I don't need it....I can do everything I want with GNOME and
> KDE and a free office.....What do you think about this?
> 
> Albert Wagner wrote:
> 
> > George Hademenos wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I have several Linux computers and I have built many versions of many tarballs
> > > on top of each other and never once had a problem getting along without a package
> > > manager.....they are not needed...they only serve to restrict the free flow and
> > > exchange of intellectual ideas.....for example people who see RPMs think they need
> > > to get a RedHat system to use them or people who see .deb files think they need to
> > > get a Debian system to use them...this is all crap ....and people should know they
> > > can do anything they want without package managers....tarballs are
> > > sufficient......the public should not be tricked into buying RedHat or Debian just
> > > because they see .RPM or .deb files that they want to use.....they should know that
> > > they can build their own operating system for free from scratch with simply tarballs
> > > even if it might take them 5 years to do it.
> > >
> >
> > George, your don't NEED anything.  Sure, you don't NEED a package
> > manager.  You don't even NEED tar.  You don't NEED compilers or
> > assemblers.  Actually, you don't NEED Linux or computers.  But depending
> > on what you want to do and how quick you want to do it some things are
> > damned convenient.  What the world doesn't need is some high priest of
> > the Esoteric and Narrow, afraid that technology will devalue his hard
> > won skills, ossifying into a luddite, and fighting the very growth and
> > inovation that at one time, long ago, built a fire in his belly.  Don't
> > lose your nerve now.  You are intelligent and disciplined or you would
> > not have learned unix.  Quit bitching and teach what you know. There is
> > a big world out there that needs the power and stability of Linux to do
> > serious work but if they have to solve their problems in a terminal
> > window then it won't get done.  Be big, let them stand on your
> > shoulders.
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