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List:       kde
Subject:    Re: A couple of kde-related problems
From:       George Hademenos <gpete () ev1 ! net>
Date:       1999-07-06 5:01:03
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OK forget all this RPM crap....look just build KDE into /FRED/programs and
then rm -rf everything when you get tired of it....also don't forget to set
ld.so.conf to find /FRED/programs/kde/lib and be done with this argument.
That is enough and you people are wasting bandwidth arguing about whose
distribution uses what directories...just be glad that LINUX gives you
FLEXIBILITY to put anything anywhere you want it...and forget all those
restrictive package managers.






dep wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jul 1999, Patrick O'Neil wrote:
>
> |KDE doesn't care where it goes.  Originally, when it was still early
> |KDE and after I came to realize that it ate up up my root directory
> |by putting an unwelcome /opt directory on it,  I simply created a
> |symlink from /opt/kde to /usr/local/kde.  It liked it there.  It
> |actually loved it there.  It told me so every day for many months
> |by simply working flawlessly in /usr/local/kde.  KDE doesn't give
> |a rat's ass where it is.  In any case, KDE cannot be made to ONLY
> |work from /opt.  Someone can always fix such a broken package (and
> |would release a corrected version).  Hell, just compile it and direct
> |it to another location rather than /opt/kde.
>
> i didn't say, ever, that kde could not be made to go anyplace at all
> -- you can put it in ~/ if you want. but the developers have always
> had /opt in mind, as have the packagers -- download the rpms beloved
> of so many from kde.org and install 'em. or compile kde without
> specifying a prefix and see where it goes.
>
> i doubt it ate up your root directory but instead your root
> partition, which you set up to contain, probably, everything except
> /usr and /home, which is a smart thing to do. i think it would make
> sense to make your symlink from /opt to /usr/opt instead of from
> /opt/kde to /usr/opt/kde, because a lot of programs actually do like
> to go to /opt. word perfect is one.
>
> the reason, once again, to do this instead of using, say, the
> straight /usr, is that it is difficult to backup just kde when
> installing a new version. why does this matter?
>
> there are a lot of new linux users, and if they have a modern
> non-debian distribution, they have kde but not the *current* kde.
> caldera shipped with 1.1; red hat with 1.1.1pre2. and a certain
> percentage of them will want to upgrade. a certain percentage of
> those will seek out and find the early tarballs of 1.2, which are
> likely to appear in the next 10 days or so. and if they leave out the
> prefix command when compiling, they are going to end up with two kdes
> and a general mess, and they are going to be angry, not entirely
> unjustifiably. if they do provide the prefix but havn't saved a copy
> of their current, working kde someplace, they may well end up with a
> nonworking desktop and a mess to try to get out of. the suggestion
> that they make rpms, thereby easing removal of a broken system and
> restoration of earlier rpms adds a level of complexity that isn't
> necessary when a one-line command will back up the old kde -- if it's
> in /opt/kde, or /usr/local/kde, or even /usr/kde -- but not if it's
> spread all over /usr.
>
> it has been argued forcefully that this is tantamount to an attack on
> red hat, which it is not. it is a place where there is room and
> reason for considerable disagreement with red hat's decision to put
> kde in /usr. it has been argued forcefully that this is an attack on
> some standard, but if the standard runs counter to practicality, then
> it's not much of a standard.
>
> we are going to see a lot of changes in kde in the coming months, and
> those changes will have to be tested. some things will be broken.
> people will hear about new features and will want to try them out.
> practicality demands that kde be all in one place, where it can be
> easily restored and replaced. for this reason, /opt/kde is an ideal
> place for it. /usr is not.
>
> --
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