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List:       kde
Subject:    Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
From:       John Woodhouse <a_johnlonger () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2013-07-16 11:44:22
Message-ID: 1373975062.21147.YahooMailBasic () web126205 ! mail ! ne1 ! yahoo ! com
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I have it turned off on opensuse 4.6 as the behavior with the number of fil=
es on my machine was unacceptable. Not just lockout either. Sort of suggest=
s that the don't use is problematic as well. It can be turned off on 4.10 t=
oo but the kmail aspect is left on and changes greyed out. Speed I recently=
 saw a complaint about email import time on the recent releases - fast pass=
 20min or more was mentioned can't remember. I'm just repeating it. Also th=
e usual mention of bloatware which isn't the problem really.

One thing that struck me was using file indexing on windows in comparison. =
That went out as an option. I had no choice about using windows at work. En=
abled on a reasonably recent machine there was no sign of it being in opera=
tion. Working on software so there were plenty of files around. I would alw=
ays copy my entire hard disc into the new machine. When enabled the 1st thi=
ng it did was build the index. Took a while but not objectionably long seco=
nds rather than mins. By my nature I can't help wondering how they do it. S=
ay  I guessed that thinking about journaling might be a clue. Say the index=
 is there but changes are kept separately and written to the main index as =
a back ground task with due thought to disk cache sizes and flushing and wh=
en it's done etc. One thing for sure there were no signs of it being in ope=
ration at all. I would very much doubt that they use the same thing for ema=
il as the needs are entirely different.  One is only really
 interested in changes to the directory/file trees so they might even just =
update the index as things are changed. That way all a user might notice is=
 a very marginal increase in disk write times - highly unlikely especially =
as they are most likely to be causing the change :-) My suggestion initial =
thought is probably over the top. Actually it's a bit tongue in the cheek m=
ad.

John
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On Mon, 15/7/13, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
 To: kde@postbox.kde.org
 Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013, 23:15
 =

 John Woodhouse posted on Mon, 15 Jul
 2013 09:03:13 -0700 as excerpted:
 =

 > Out of interest some one tested KDE against Gnome in
 respect to what
 > appears to be a Kernal bug - machine can lock up given
 disc access. I
 > have had this one KDE 4.6, find myself typing ahead
 even with properly
 > raided 10k ultra 320 scsi on a true 64bit motherboard.
 ;-) Might be 15k
 > actually,
 > probably is. Part cured by moving from 4 to 8gb but
 still happens from
 > time to time. The test found that Gnome suffered far
 less than KDE,
 > dedicated KDE user as well and still is. Probably
 because Gnome has less
 > in the way or is just more efficient.
 =

 This bit might be the nepomuk indexing.=A0 In 4.10 and
 4.11 that is said to =

 be MUCH faster, with less disturbing whatever else is going
 on, and it's =

 supposed to be easier to turn off... to the extent that on
 gentoo, with =

 4.11 they took away the semantic-desktop USE flag that
 allowed one to =

 build kde without it, as in theory it can be turned off at
 runtime now.
 =

 But, having gone to quite some trouble to remove it from my
 system, =

 including dumping kmail and anything kdepim related since
 that required =

 it, I wasn't going to let it back on my system... I'd have
 rather =

 switched to some other desktop.=A0 So I ended up with an
 automated patch =

 system that applies patches to the gentoo ebuilds as they're
 updated, to =

 remove that stuff and continue to keep it off my
 system.=A0 Too bad as =

 gentoo in theory is about giving the user such choices, but
 what do you =

 do when none of the gentoo/kde maintainers are interested in
 it?
 =

 Anyway, that's why I'm reporting the semantic-desktop
 changes in third =

 person, I don't know what the changes are like personally as
 I won't let =

 semantic-desktop on my system, period.
 =

 -- =

 Duncan - List replies preferred.=A0=A0=A0No HTML
 msgs.
 "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
 and if you use the program, he is your master."=A0
 Richard Stallman
 =

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