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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election
From: Chris Reffett <creffett () gentoo ! org>
Date: 2014-07-01 17:14:54
Message-ID: a1eb11c5-3060-4573-b172-3f542b2a0123 () email ! android ! com
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On July 1, 2014 1:02:34 PM EDT, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM, hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > From what I see you are on both council and comrel. I think that is a
> > conflict of interest.
> >
>
> The term "conflict of interest" gets thrown around rather loosely IMHO.
>
> A conflict of interest is when somebody stands to personally gain from
> a decision. If somebody on the council or comrel banned you from an
> IRC channel, and you brought this to comrel, then it would be a
> conflict of interest if the accused party voted on their own case.
> Anything short of this really isn't a true conflict IMHO.
>
> Many courts will hear appeals with a small number of judges with the
> possibility to appeal to a larger set of judges, and the original
> judges get to vote in both cases. That isn't a conflict of interest -
> just division of labor.
>
> When you appeal a Comrel case to the Council the purpose of the appeal
> is to decide what to do with the parties involved - it isn't a
> judgement on Comrel itself, though Comrel should be guided by the
> decision in any future actions it takes.
>
> Anybody dissatisfied with a Comrel decision can appeal to Council,
> which is a group of 7 people selected by the developer community to
> represent them.
>
> But, anyone is free to not vote for Comrel members.
>
> Rich
Moreover, I think that anyone who is both comrel/council would recuse himself from a \
vote if it the vote's outcome directly affected him. That is, if I were to (for \
example) start a comrel complaint against dilfridge, and then appealed it to council, \
I'm certain that he would abstain from voting in the matter because that is \
explicitly a conflict of interest since one of the vote options clearly benefits him. \
If he voted on a case that he handled as a member of comrel, however, that isn't a \
conflict of interest because he doesn't stand to gain from the vote (unless comrel \
starts rewarding people for getting the most "convictions," in which case I think we \
have bigger problems to deal with...)
Chris Reffett
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<html><head></head><body><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On July 1, 2014 1:02:34 PM \
EDT, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
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padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="k9mail">On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM, hasufell \
<hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
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1ex;"><br /> From what I see you are on both council and comrel. I think that is a<br \
/> conflict of interest.</blockquote><br /><br />The term "conflict of interest" gets \
thrown around rather loosely IMHO.<br /><br />A conflict of interest is when somebody \
stands to personally gain from<br />a decision. If somebody on the council or comrel \
banned you from an<br />IRC channel, and you brought this to comrel, then it would be \
a<br />conflict of interest if the accused party voted on their own case.<br \
/>Anything short of this really isn't a true conflict IMHO.<br /><br />Many courts \
will hear appeals with a small number of judges with the<br />possibility to appeal \
to a larger set of judges, and the original<br />judges get to vote in both cases. \
That isn't a conflict of interest -<br />just division of labor.<br /><br />When you \
appeal a Comrel case to the Council the purpose of the appeal<br />is to decide what \
to do with the parties involved - it isn't a<br />judgement on Comrel itself, though \
Comrel should be guided by the<br />decision in any future actions it takes.<br /><br \
/>Anybody dissatisfied with a Comrel decision can appeal to Council,<br />which is a \
group of 7 people selected by the developer community to<br />represent them.<br \
/><br />But, anyone is free to not vote for Comrel members.<br /><br />Rich<br /><br \
/></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>
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