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List:       gentoo-dev
Subject:    Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in server profiles
From:       Markos Chandras <hwoarang () gentoo ! org>
Date:       2010-10-31 20:04:11
Message-ID: 20101031200411.GA19242 () Eternity ! halls ! manchester ! ac ! uk
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On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:47:32PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Alex Alexander <wired@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:50:02AM +0000, Markos Chandras wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:59:08PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote:
> > > > On 10/30/2010 08:10 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > > > > If i remember it right, the server profile was created for those people, \
> > > > > who only want a minimum amount of default profile enabled USE flags (so no \
> > > > > desktop profile because of that), but on the other side dont want to do the \
> > > > > additional work/checks/reading for hardened profiles (which have much less \
> > > > > profile enabled USE flags, but also have the special gcc, glibc and \
> > > > > Kernel), basicly a profile, which does the same as hardened profile without \
> > > > > the specific hardened bits. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Isn't this essentially what the default profile is?  Basically server is
> > > > just default + USE="apache2 ldap mysql snmp truetype xml".
> > > Well it shouldn't be like that. And if the default profile is pretty
> > > much the same as the server one, then please consider removing the
> > > server profile as it makes no sense then
> > 
> > Please don't. The fact that there are only a few changes doesn't make it
> > useless. Also, you'd be forcing all users currently using the profile to
> > migrate without any real reason.
> 
> We don't really delete profiles (maybe once every few years...)  We
> could opt to mark the server target deprecated and not update it
> anymore.
> 
> -A
> 
> > 
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> > 
> 
I did not literally mean what I said. My intention is to make server
profiles useful. They are not equivalent to default profile ( at least they
shouldn't). I see that this discussion is moving to dead-end so I will
to what I suggested at least at the amd64 profile

1) drop apache2, ldap use flags
2) Adjust warning message to reflect reallity

in 72 hours

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Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
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