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Subject: [gentoo-dev] [FYI] Gentoo/AMD64 Project Meeting Log 2005/03/26
From: Danny van Dyk <kugelfang () gentoo ! org>
Date: 2005-03-27 15:16:07
Message-ID: 4246CE37.8010505 () gentoo ! org
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Hi!
The Gentoo/AMD64 Project had another meeting (2005/03/26). You'll find
the meeting's logfile attached top this mail.
The next meeting will be announced to gentoo-amd64 ML. We invite all
interested Gentoo Developers to join (#gentoo-amd64-dev).
Danny
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Danny van Dyk <kugelfang@gentoo.org>
Gentoo/AMD64 Project, Gentoo Scientific Project
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["gentoo-amd64-meeting.log" (text/plain)]
Mar 26 19:04:15 KingTaco ok folks, let's get this going
Mar 26 19:04:33 luckyduck ok :)
Mar 26 19:04:34 KingTaco first item is profiles by eradicator
Mar 26 19:04:53 KingTaco eradicator, you have the floor
Mar 26 19:05:35 blubb . o O ( silence )
Mar 26 19:05:53 KingTaco indeed
Mar 26 19:05:57 KingTaco eradicator, ping?
Mar 26 19:06:02 Kugelfang Mr Huddleston
Mar 26 19:06:20 stkn_ he's dead jim
Mar 26 19:06:33 Kugelfang noooooo
Mar 26 19:06:58 blubb eradicator: i won't pay you if you don't get to work \
immediately!
Mar 26 19:07:18 Flameeyes [19:05] [Whois] eradicator has been idle for 12 hours, 54 \
minutes, and 27 seconds.
Mar 26 19:07:27 Flameeyes i think he's not here at all :)
Mar 26 19:07:29 blubb neither would i if he's here, but *ssssh*
Mar 26 19:07:39 KingTaco ok
Mar 26 19:07:42 blubb KingTaco: next item? :D
Mar 26 19:07:49 KingTaco moving on, hopefully he shows up
Mar 26 19:08:04 KingTaco next item, releng report
Mar 26 19:08:08 Kugelfang uh
Mar 26 19:08:09 KingTaco Kugelfang, you got the floor
Mar 26 19:08:10 Kugelfang that's me
Mar 26 19:08:12 Kugelfang hehe
Mar 26 19:08:25 Kugelfang well, looks good so far... everything has been built in \
time Mar 26 19:08:34 * jhuebel has quit ("Leaving")
Mar 26 19:08:39 Kugelfang for 2005.0, we have (as every time) minimal and universal \
installcds
Mar 26 19:08:50 Kugelfang the kernels have changed there
Mar 26 19:08:57 blubb no -smp, right?
Mar 26 19:09:10 Kugelfang we support now a AMD K8 NUMA capable kernel and a x86-64 \
SMP kernel
Mar 26 19:09:14 luckyduck now we have 2.6.11, or is it .10 ?
Mar 26 19:09:15 KingTaco +smp on all kernels
Mar 26 19:09:27 Kugelfang 2.6.11
Mar 26 19:09:34 luckyduck ah, k
Mar 26 19:09:49 Kugelfang the SMP only kernel is labeled -em64t
Mar 26 19:10:06 Kugelfang as for the stages, everything seems to be fine
Mar 26 19:10:12 Kugelfang most of you tested them already :-)
Mar 26 19:10:32 blubb when will the 2005.0 release be?
Mar 26 19:10:48 Kugelfang i think it's this monday
Mar 26 19:10:52 Kugelfang hopefully
Mar 26 19:10:56 blubb nice
Mar 26 19:11:00 KingTaco sweet
Mar 26 19:11:02 Kugelfang yeah
Mar 26 19:11:04 hparker Cool
Mar 26 19:11:19 Kugelfang well, nothing to say regarding the stages i think
Mar 26 19:11:38 Kugelfang The GRP was stripped from apache, as we had a security bug \
and didn't want to rebuild :-)
Mar 26 19:11:47 KingTaco are there any pitfalls (like having to do a emerge -e workd) \
that still exist?
Mar 26 19:11:47 Kugelfang this is true for all arches i think
Mar 26 19:11:57 Kugelfang KingTaco: yeah, this is part of the handbook now
Mar 26 19:12:11 KingTaco so the handbook has been updated and available?
Mar 26 19:12:24 blubb another reason to use stage3 :)
Mar 26 19:12:25 Kugelfang for a installation from stage{1,2}, you need to emerge -e \
system OR emerge --newuser system
Mar 26 19:12:38 blubb --newuser??
Mar 26 19:12:38 Kugelfang KingTaco: handbook's draft is at: "please hold the line"
Mar 26 19:12:39 hparker newuser?
Mar 26 19:12:49 dang newuse?
Mar 26 19:12:51 Kugelfang http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/draft/2005.0/index.xml
Mar 26 19:12:59 Kugelfang --newuse of course :-)
Mar 26 19:13:05 hparker kk
Mar 26 19:13:12 blubb ah
Mar 26 19:13:58 hparker I'm still seeing problems with the upgrade, which we can \
expect an increase in upgrades after release :/
Mar 26 19:14:01 Kugelfang i have put release notes out as well, they are in \
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2005.0/amd64-release-notes.xml
Mar 26 19:14:24 Kugelfang hparker: problem with the profiles you mean ? or with the \
upgrade process ?
Mar 26 19:15:07 Flameeyes the upgrade makefile was having troubles when i used it \
last week
Mar 26 19:15:19 Kugelfang Flameeyes: what kind of troubles ?
Mar 26 19:15:24 hparker Probably profile, not sure... Still seeing double long, gcc \
can't create executables, etc
Mar 26 19:15:43 Flameeyes linux-headers didn't merged, errors in the kernel makefiles
Mar 26 19:15:49 Flameeyes emerging it out of the makefile worked
Mar 26 19:16:01 Kugelfang hm
Mar 26 19:16:09 Kugelfang honestly, this is eradicator's playground
Mar 26 19:16:15 KingTaco it is
Mar 26 19:16:17 Flameeyes probably there's some problems with the makefile -> emerge \
-> makefile environments
Mar 26 19:16:33 KingTaco table this for eradicator(hopefully he shows up)
Mar 26 19:16:35 Kugelfang could be, i don't know... we have to wait until jeremy \
shows up
Mar 26 19:16:49 blubb after the release we don't need that upgrade makefile anyway, \
right?
Mar 26 19:17:07 Flameeyes a solution could be moving from makefile to sh script which \
shouldn't have that problem
Mar 26 19:17:09 Kugelfang blubb: we need it as long as there are people who haven't \
switched the profile
Mar 26 19:17:45 Kugelfang Flameeyes: did you just volunteer to test that ? :-)
Mar 26 19:18:11 Flameeyes Kugelfang, now i think i had :)
Mar 26 19:18:16 Kugelfang hehe
Mar 26 19:18:22 Kugelfang well, back to the release...
Mar 26 19:18:28 KingTaco ok, so anything more on releng?
Mar 26 19:18:40 Kugelfang as most of you have surely heard, i'll take over amd64 \
releng
Mar 26 19:18:43 Kugelfang from jh
Mar 26 19:18:44 Kugelfang ahm
Mar 26 19:18:47 Kugelfang jhuebel
Mar 26 19:19:04 blubb also for further releases?
Mar 26 19:19:08 Kugelfang jepp
Mar 26 19:19:13 blubb k
Mar 26 19:19:30 * Kugelfang is now known as "releng-bitch"
Mar 26 19:19:36 luckyduck =)
Mar 26 19:19:40 KingTaco heh
Mar 26 19:19:45 blubb Kugelfang: i have to censor that in the logfile ;)
Mar 26 19:19:53 Kugelfang o.O
Mar 26 19:20:17 Kugelfang ok, nothing from my side
Mar 26 19:20:19 KingTaco you should have used bioch
Mar 26 19:20:30 Kugelfang still any questions regarding the release ?
Mar 26 19:20:42 Kugelfang ah: my specfiles and the snapshot are all in CVS
Mar 26 19:20:54 Kugelfang module "gentoo", /src/releng/
Mar 26 19:21:19 Kugelfang no questions?
Mar 26 19:21:27 Kugelfang KingTaco: i think we can proceed
Mar 26 19:21:30 Kugelfang :-)
Mar 26 19:21:38 KingTaco ok, net item, AT status:
Mar 26 19:21:44 KingTaco kingtaco: you have the floor
Mar 26 19:22:01 * Kugelfang silently steps aways from KingTaco
Mar 26 19:22:24 luckyduck how many AT's are there currently?
Mar 26 19:22:25 blubb lol
Mar 26 19:22:34 KingTaco luckyduck, 6 currently I think
Mar 26 19:22:38 KingTaco we had to let one go
Mar 26 19:22:45 luckyduck oh :(
Mar 26 19:22:59 hparker And i'm working with 2-3 on their quizes
Mar 26 19:23:01 blubb KingTaco: you're speaking of piolyte, right?
Mar 26 19:23:06 KingTaco jhujiti, he didn't do anything as far as we can tell
Mar 26 19:23:15 hparker Hrrmm make that two then
Mar 26 19:23:16 KingTaco blubb, no, he's listed as inactive
Mar 26 19:23:30 KingTaco his permissions have been removed
Mar 26 19:23:38 blubb :|
Mar 26 19:23:43 KingTaco if and when he comes back I'll reverse that
Mar 26 19:23:59 KingTaco so, there has been a change in at "management"
Mar 26 19:24:04 Kugelfang hm for all those who had fear piolyte could have problems: \
he's fine according to plasmaroo who phoned him
Mar 26 19:24:26 hparker Kugelfang: thanks for the update
Mar 26 19:24:27 blubb KingTaco: in the mail alias we only have 5 ATs
Mar 26 19:24:43 blubb Kugelfang: oh, ok
Mar 26 19:24:54 Kugelfang n/p
Mar 26 19:25:00 KingTaco hparker is now the "operational lead" for the AT's: all day \
to day activities regarding AT's should goto him
Mar 26 19:25:25 hparker Break... Someone invite suri! ;)
Mar 26 19:25:30 KingTaco I'm remaining as more of a general manager of the project, \
as I'm trying to get it to become an official gentoo project
Mar 26 19:25:38 luckyduck so, he also adds the keywords to ebuilds to close the bugs \
which are keyworded as TESTED? :P
Mar 26 19:26:10 blubb luckyduck: that's your work :P
Mar 26 19:26:15 luckyduck :(
Mar 26 19:26:18 KingTaco I'm turning over the floor to hparker who can give us some \
more status info
Mar 26 19:26:19 luckyduck :-p
Mar 26 19:26:23 luckyduck k
Mar 26 19:26:39 * hparker is tryig to figure out how to get Uri in here :/
Mar 26 19:26:47 blubb /invite?
Mar 26 19:26:48 hparker I tried sending an invite
Mar 26 19:26:49 KingTaco * You've invited suri to #gentoo-amd64-dev \
(saberhagen.freenode.net) Mar 26 19:26:55 * KingTaco sets mode -i #gentoo-amd64-dev
Mar 26 19:27:01 KingTaco * KingTaco sets modes [#gentoo-amd64-dev -i]
Mar 26 19:27:05 KingTaco tell him to join
Mar 26 19:27:09 * KingTaco sets mode -r #gentoo-amd64-dev
Mar 26 19:27:27 hparker k
Mar 26 19:27:28 KingTaco uri is #6
Mar 26 19:27:30 KingTaco btw
Mar 26 19:27:33 * suri (~suri@bzq-218-252-145.red.bezeqint.net) has joined \
#gentoo-amd64-dev Mar 26 19:27:38 * KingTaco sets mode +i #gentoo-amd64-dev
Mar 26 19:27:41 * hparker gives voice to suri
Mar 26 19:27:41 * KingTaco sets mode +r #gentoo-amd64-dev
Mar 26 19:27:44 Flameeyes hi suri
Mar 26 19:27:45 blubb hi suri
Mar 26 19:27:48 KingTaco hola suri
Mar 26 19:27:50 hparker Lo suri
Mar 26 19:27:53 stkn_ heyho suri
Mar 26 19:27:53 luckyduck hi suri
Mar 26 19:27:58 suri Sorry for being late. Traffic.
Mar 26 19:28:10 Kugelfang n/p, we have a log
Mar 26 19:28:13 * stkn_ is now known as stkn
Mar 26 19:28:24 KingTaco ok, hparker, the floor is yours
Mar 26 19:28:27 hparker KingTaco: thanks for putting me on the spot ;)
Mar 26 19:28:35 KingTaco hparker, :)
Mar 26 19:28:40 * Kugelfang searches for 1000W spotlights...
Mar 26 19:28:50 KingTaco everyone tease hparker, he's new at this
Mar 26 19:29:05 KingTaco hparker, why don't you explain the process of becomeing an \
AT
Mar 26 19:29:14 hparker Ok, as you've heard, we've lost 1 AT... But, we've added \
several, and I'm working with 2-3 on their quizes
Mar 26 19:29:15 blubb good idea, i want to become one ;)
Mar 26 19:29:19 hparker lol
Mar 26 19:29:27 luckyduck :))
Mar 26 19:29:37 suri Um, you never said there were risks involved.
Mar 26 19:29:39 * Kugelfang removes channel operator status from blubb
Mar 26 19:29:42 * Kugelfang gives voice to blubb
Mar 26 19:29:45 Kugelfang there you go
Mar 26 19:29:48 luckyduck :)
Mar 26 19:29:54 blubb *g*
Mar 26 19:29:56 dang He still has cvs...
Mar 26 19:29:59 hparker To become an AT, as most here know, you have to pass the \
ebuild quiz Mar 26 19:30:01 * Kugelfang gives channel operator status to blubb
Mar 26 19:30:02 Flameeyes suri, the main one is the risk of loosing mental abilities
Mar 26 19:30:15 hparker Astinus is working up a new quiz more taailered to an AT
Mar 26 19:30:17 luckyduck what about the groupies in here, seemant and solar? do we \
count them as AT's ? :-p
Mar 26 19:30:33 KingTaco no, they arn't at's
Mar 26 19:30:34 blubb hparker: will that quiz be easier?
Mar 26 19:30:38 luckyduck ;)
Mar 26 19:30:39 KingTaco all at's are listed on the at page
Mar 26 19:30:41 Flameeyes luckyduck, maybe ATX :)
Mar 26 19:30:55 luckyduck :)
Mar 26 19:30:58 KingTaco blubb, the quiz will get harder if anything
Mar 26 19:31:00 hparker If anyone knows of anyone that would make a good AT, please \
send them my way
Mar 26 19:31:03 blubb heh
Mar 26 19:31:16 KingTaco a quiz rewrite is being looked at
Mar 26 19:31:19 hparker We're always looking for talent..
Mar 26 19:31:26 Kugelfang blubb: what about this guy with the penguin mail address ?
Mar 26 19:31:38 blubb Kugelfang: never got an answer
Mar 26 19:31:44 hparker Roland? I think someone sent him something at the last \
meeting Mar 26 19:31:44 * Kugelfang shakes head
Mar 26 19:31:52 hparker :(
Mar 26 19:32:02 blubb but he's quite active on bugzilla
Mar 26 19:32:08 dang Kugelfang: It's a non-trivial time commitment. I can't blame \
him, really.
Mar 26 19:32:09 hparker That he is
Mar 26 19:32:12 blubb he even opens tracker bugs :D
Mar 26 19:32:41 hparker Anywho.. Any questions?
Mar 26 19:32:48 Kugelfang KingTaco: btw: Last meeting: \
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/todos/index.xml?part=1&chap=1
Mar 26 19:33:15 KingTaco Kugelfang, that's coming up
Mar 26 19:33:17 * hparker wasn't aware he was going to get the floor, let aloone \
before he finished his first cup
Mar 26 19:33:26 Kugelfang :-P
Mar 26 19:33:28 Kugelfang KingTaco: k
Mar 26 19:33:43 KingTaco ok, if there is nothing more about AT project, then lets \
move on
Mar 26 19:33:44 Flameeyes hparker, i have one :) why there's "Coming Soon!" on my gpg \
key's field? :)
Mar 26 19:34:03 KingTaco Flameeyes, ??
Mar 26 19:34:04 hparker Flameeyes: Talk to Astinus, he updated the page
Mar 26 19:34:14 hparker He had a question about it
Mar 26 19:34:19 KingTaco Flameeyes, no, talk to me after the meeting, I'll fix it up
Mar 26 19:34:35 luckyduck Diego Petteno Flameeyes 69875563 Active
Mar 26 19:34:36 Flameeyes KingTaco, ok :)
Mar 26 19:34:38 hparker ty KingTaco
Mar 26 19:34:41 luckyduck seems to be fixed already
Mar 26 19:34:42 luckyduck :)
Mar 26 19:34:48 KingTaco thought so
Mar 26 19:34:59 Flameeyes luckyduck, maybe we are seeing different pages?
Mar 26 19:35:07 luckyduck http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/tests/index.xml?part=1&chap=1
Mar 26 19:35:18 KingTaco someone with nls and cvs to that page should correct the \
accent grave on the last o in his name
Mar 26 19:35:21 Flameeyes http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/arch-testers-amd64.xml
Mar 26 19:35:33 KingTaco Flameeyes, that' the old deprecated page
Mar 26 19:35:34 blubb btw, why is hparker listed as an AT?
Mar 26 19:35:47 hparker i wear lots of hats ;)
Mar 26 19:35:53 Flameeyes KingTaco, that's the one which is found from amd64 project \
homepage :)
Mar 26 19:35:58 blubb lol
Mar 26 19:36:07 Kugelfang KingTaco, hparker: the new at page is \
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/tests/index.xml?part=1&chap=1
Mar 26 19:36:08 KingTaco Flameeyes, I'll get docdev to fix that
Mar 26 19:36:15 Kugelfang right?
Mar 26 19:36:20 KingTaco correct
Mar 26 19:36:56 hparker Should be, but i don't guess Astinus got that one :/
Mar 26 19:36:56 dang The old page has suri on it...
Mar 26 19:36:57 Kugelfang k
Mar 26 19:37:09 Kugelfang heh
Mar 26 19:37:19 KingTaco ok, any more AT stuff?
Mar 26 19:37:22 hparker I guess he just got th eold one
Mar 26 19:37:32 Kugelfang gerrynjr: when you read the log, add to your personal to do \
list to eliminate the old docs please :-)
Mar 26 19:37:43 KingTaco gerrynjr, ^^
Mar 26 19:37:51 * blubb sets up the shredderer for gerrynjr
Mar 26 19:38:12 KingTaco ok, moving on: todo from last meeting
Mar 26 19:38:13 hparker Shreding web pages, what a concept
Mar 26 19:38:16 KingTaco Kugelfang, you got the floor
Mar 26 19:38:39 Kugelfang thx
Mar 26 19:38:44 Kugelfang TODO list from last meeting:
Mar 26 19:38:50 Kugelfang http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/todos/index.xml?part=1&chap=1
Mar 26 19:39:17 Kugelfang anyone to volounteer writing the multilib-strict howto ?
Mar 26 19:39:26 blubb Kugelfang: i did, sent it to gerrynjr
Mar 26 19:39:34 Kugelfang blubb: you did? superb
Mar 26 19:39:39 Kugelfang gerrynjr: next item on agenda :-)
Mar 26 19:39:44 blubb *g*
Mar 26 19:39:52 KingTaco gerrynjr, is MIA
Mar 26 19:39:57 Kugelfang i know
Mar 26 19:39:59 KingTaco so we'll scip the doc policy
Mar 26 19:40:06 Kugelfang he can't be here, he's helping someone moving
Mar 26 19:40:15 KingTaco or wait, are we still on todos?
Mar 26 19:40:26 Kugelfang jupp
Mar 26 19:40:30 KingTaco k, my bad
Mar 26 19:40:38 Kugelfang :-P
Mar 26 19:41:00 Kugelfang ok, beside the Roadmaps and the howto, everything seems to \
be done what we had on last meeting's agenda
Mar 26 19:41:26 KingTaco great
Mar 26 19:41:34 Kugelfang i'd like you guys to gimme items we want to have \
acomplished till the next meeting (in 2 months approx)
Mar 26 19:41:41 KingTaco it's important that we set internal deadlines and follow \
through
Mar 26 19:41:58 blubb the FAQ
Mar 26 19:42:02 Kugelfang ?
Mar 26 19:42:03 KingTaco Kugelfang, item: make AT a gentoo wide project
Mar 26 19:42:08 Kugelfang k
Mar 26 19:42:18 KingTaco assign to me and hparker
Mar 26 19:42:26 luckyduck while we're at the documentation, i would love it if we \
could include something in the bug reporting howto to encourage users to include test \
cases for keywording requests into the reports.
Mar 26 19:42:45 KingTaco luckyduck, I couldn't agree more
Mar 26 19:42:50 luckyduck there is a lot of weird software in the tree, and to find \
out how to test takes sometimes quite long
Mar 26 19:42:52 KingTaco but it needs to o further than that
Mar 26 19:42:56 KingTaco sec bugs for example
Mar 26 19:42:59 blubb luckyduck: heh, yes
Mar 26 19:43:02 luckyduck ah, ok
Mar 26 19:43:07 hparker luckyduck: No doubt!
Mar 26 19:43:09 Kugelfang luckyduck: k, you write some text, the doc devs include it, \
k?
Mar 26 19:43:18 luckyduck ok
Mar 26 19:43:27 luckyduck i'm send it to gerrynjr ?
Mar 26 19:43:32 luckyduck i have to*
Mar 26 19:43:34 Kugelfang jupp
Mar 26 19:43:35 KingTaco just amd64@
Mar 26 19:43:37 luckyduck k
Mar 26 19:43:39 luckyduck ah, ok
Mar 26 19:43:48 KingTaco so we can comment on it
Mar 26 19:43:56 luckyduck sure
Mar 26 19:44:10 Kugelfang any volounteer for the hardware test thingies ?
Mar 26 19:44:15 Kugelfang blubb: what about you?
Mar 26 19:44:16 KingTaco ??
Mar 26 19:44:26 Kugelfang KingTaco: amd64.gentoo.org/amd64-tests :-)
Mar 26 19:44:36 Kugelfang KingTaco: amd64.gentoo.org/amd64-tests/amd64-tests.xml
Mar 26 19:44:58 blubb Kugelfang: well, as i said, i've written a little \
Gentoo/AMD64-FAQ with the help of the list-guys
Mar 26 19:45:12 KingTaco shit, I could have tested #1, but I no longer have the HW
Mar 26 19:45:12 Kugelfang blubb: cool -> doc devs...
Mar 26 19:45:23 KingTaco but iirc, there is a bug about #1
Mar 26 19:45:31 KingTaco saying it works
Mar 26 19:45:39 Kugelfang KingTaco: yes, there is...
Mar 26 19:45:43 blubb yep. it covers the most important^Wannoying questions ;)
Mar 26 19:45:46 Kugelfang KingTaco: it want it thorughly tested
Mar 26 19:45:54 Kugelfang blubb: noted
Mar 26 19:46:05 Kugelfang blubb: you and gerrynjr: Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
Mar 26 19:46:14 KingTaco well, a perfect piece of hardware for that would be the \
DWL-120 usb adapter
Mar 26 19:46:27 KingTaco which I had, but sold
Mar 26 19:46:36 * hparker mumles nastiness about USB
Mar 26 19:46:48 Kugelfang hehe
Mar 26 19:46:52 hparker s/mumles/mumbles
Mar 26 19:46:54 Flameeyes i have a dwl-122 but i don't think is the same
Mar 26 19:46:54 Kugelfang ok: Testing tree:
Mar 26 19:46:54 KingTaco murder SUB
Mar 26 19:47:06 KingTaco Flameeyes, it isn't, as I have one
Mar 26 19:47:10 Kugelfang anything _BIG_ you people want to move to Testing ?
Mar 26 19:47:12 KingTaco it's a prism-2.5
Mar 26 19:47:24 blubb gnome 2.10
Mar 26 19:47:36 KingTaco gnome 2.10 has been tested and keyworded
Mar 26 19:47:40 Kugelfang blubb: you wanna take over amd64-tests.xml?
Mar 26 19:47:41 Flameeyes KingTaco, yep i know, i tried to getting it working on \
macosx, just failed
Mar 26 19:47:44 KingTaco by yours truely
Mar 26 19:48:10 dang KingTaco: And much thanks from me for that. :)
Mar 26 19:48:11 hparker All hail the King!
Mar 26 19:48:13 blubb Kugelfang: hmm, i only have a spongy idea of what it should \
contain
Mar 26 19:48:19 KingTaco :)
Mar 26 19:48:21 Kugelfang blubb: just browsing bugzilla for untested hardware bugs, \
list them on the page and give a weekly mail out to -amd64 ML
Mar 26 19:48:37 Kugelfang hparker: or do you want to take that?
Mar 26 19:48:37 blubb ah, ok
Mar 26 19:48:46 blubb Kugelfang: i'll do it then
Mar 26 19:48:51 Kugelfang i don't care who takes it, i just want to have it \
maintained :-)
Mar 26 19:48:53 Kugelfang blubb: k, thx
Mar 26 19:48:56 hparker Kugelfang: Not ATM :/
Mar 26 19:49:02 hparker Thanks blubb
Mar 26 19:49:04 Kugelfang hparker: n/p
Mar 26 19:49:09 KingTaco let's hold off on assignemnts, I want to go over that in a \
minute
Mar 26 19:49:18 Kugelfang yeah, ok...
Mar 26 19:49:21 Kugelfang KingTaco: one last thing:
Mar 26 19:49:25 KingTaco k
Mar 26 19:49:33 Kugelfang Stable Tree: Anyone want something stable by when ?
Mar 26 19:49:46 blubb gnome-2.10, now ;)
Mar 26 19:49:48 Kugelfang cryos: are you there ? what about stabilizing process of \
kde ?
Mar 26 19:50:02 Kugelfang blubb: is that a joke or a request ? :-)
Mar 26 19:50:06 blubb Kugelfang: joke
Mar 26 19:50:10 luckyduck :)
Mar 26 19:50:39 KingTaco ok, can we move on?
Mar 26 19:50:42 luckyduck what about gcc4 ?
Mar 26 19:50:44 luckyduck :-p
Mar 26 19:50:48 blubb uh
Mar 26 19:50:51 Flameeyes Kugelfang, there's troubles with kde 3.4
Mar 26 19:50:52 Kugelfang luckyduck: renn schon mal los
Mar 26 19:50:55 Flameeyes not just for amd64
Mar 26 19:50:56 Kugelfang Flameeyes: there is?
Mar 26 19:50:56 luckyduck hehe
Mar 26 19:50:58 * luckyduck hides
Mar 26 19:50:59 stkn luckyduck: grrrrr
Mar 26 19:51:13 Flameeyes Kugelfang, you remember the bug cryos and i discussed a few \
days ago?
Mar 26 19:51:18 blubb gcc-3.4 works, let's stay there ;)
Mar 26 19:51:21 Flameeyes that was interesting just kasteroids?
Mar 26 19:51:22 Kugelfang ah, dynamic_cast, right?
Mar 26 19:51:25 Flameeyes yes..
Mar 26 19:51:29 luckyduck blubb: boring :)
Mar 26 19:51:37 blubb luckyduck: ricer :P
Mar 26 19:51:37 Flameeyes seems like -fvisibility=hidden is brokign stuff
Mar 26 19:51:42 luckyduck :)
Mar 26 19:51:54 Flameeyes as kde 3.4 uses it if it finds the flag accepted by the \
compiler
Mar 26 19:51:56 Kugelfang Flameeyes: should be shielded by the acinclude patch
Mar 26 19:52:07 Kugelfang Flameeyes: let's discuss this after the meeting
Mar 26 19:52:11 KingTaco yes
Mar 26 19:52:13 Flameeyes ok
Mar 26 19:52:14 Kugelfang KingTaco: ok, I'm done
Mar 26 19:52:15 KingTaco ok, moving on
Mar 26 19:52:25 Kugelfang short todo list this time
Mar 26 19:52:26 Kugelfang 4 items
Mar 26 19:52:31 KingTaco ok
Mar 26 19:52:50 blubb Kugelfang: what are the items?
Mar 26 19:52:53 KingTaco we have a number of new devs and AT's, so I'd like us to do \
some intros
Mar 26 19:53:00 blubb good idea
Mar 26 19:53:07 KingTaco so, I'll start
Mar 26 19:53:35 stkn .oO( deja vu )
Mar 26 19:53:59 KingTaco my name is Mike Doty, I live in Chicago, On amd64, I work \
with the AT project, as well as do kernel work and gnome testing.
Mar 26 19:54:26 KingTaco as well as OP lead with kugelfang
Mar 26 19:54:49 KingTaco blubb?
Mar 26 19:54:56 blubb uh
Mar 26 19:54:59 KingTaco (I'm just going down the list)
Mar 26 19:55:28 blubb <- blubb, switzerland (zurich for insiders), amd64 and gnome \
herd
Mar 26 19:55:47 KingTaco k, chanserv?
Mar 26 19:55:50 blubb lol
Mar 26 19:55:51 KingTaco rofl
Mar 26 19:55:59 KingTaco ym, cryos you around?
Mar 26 19:56:14 KingTaco next would be cshields
Mar 26 19:56:34 Flameeyes cryos results away
Mar 26 19:56:57 KingTaco ok, hparker
Mar 26 19:57:01 blubb 1dL3rZ sUc|<!!11one :P
Mar 26 19:57:03 hparker My name is Homer Parker.. I live in Russell, KS.. I'm OP Lead \
for the AMD64 AT project
Mar 26 19:57:25 KingTaco Kugelfang,
Mar 26 19:57:29 Kugelfang oh my
Mar 26 19:57:58 * Kugelfang is Danny van Dyk from Witten, Germany... I'm coleading \
AMD64 with Kingtaco and keep up Release engineering for Gentoo/AMD64
Mar 26 19:58:10 KingTaco luckyduck:
Mar 26 19:58:12 Kugelfang Further i' member of the Gentoo Scientific project
Mar 26 19:58:16 KingTaco oop
Mar 26 19:58:20 luckyduck I'm Jan Brinkmann, I live in Schlangen/Paderborn/Dortmund \
in Germany. I'm in the java, amd64 and media-{sound,video} herd. Most of the time i \
do anything for Gentoo, it results in breaking the tree. ;)
Mar 26 19:58:20 Kugelfang :-P
Mar 26 19:58:27 luckyduck :)
Mar 26 19:58:33 KingTaco :)
Mar 26 19:58:37 KingTaco malc?
Mar 26 19:58:38 Kugelfang luckyduck: since when is Paderborn in Dortmund?
Mar 26 19:58:44 luckyduck near
Mar 26 19:58:47 luckyduck ;)
Mar 26 19:59:01 luckyduck only to give an orientation
Mar 26 19:59:03 luckyduck :)
Mar 26 19:59:04 hparker I just thought he was multihomed ;)
Mar 26 19:59:07 KingTaco mini-morfic?
Mar 26 19:59:22 blubb idling
Mar 26 19:59:27 luckyduck hparker: think of me as a distributed system ;)
Mar 26 19:59:32 Kugelfang mini-morfic is no amd64 dev
Mar 26 19:59:35 hparker lol
Mar 26 19:59:36 KingTaco stkn: #gentoo-alpha #gentoo-sparc #gentoo-voip #richportal \
#gentoo.de
Mar 26 20:00:14 KingTaco ...
Mar 26 20:00:22 stkn I'm Stefan Knoblich, living near Cologne, Germany. I'm the one \
breakfixing VoIP stuff on gentoo :)
Mar 26 20:00:36 luckyduck =)
Mar 26 20:00:43 KingTaco voxus:
Mar 26 20:01:25 KingTaco ...
Mar 26 20:01:31 KingTaco wolf31o2:
Mar 26 20:01:46 Kugelfang amazing how many people idle during the meeting, eh?
Mar 26 20:01:51 KingTaco indeed
Mar 26 20:01:53 Kugelfang KingTaco: i think wolf is MIA
Mar 26 20:01:57 KingTaco k
Mar 26 20:02:02 KingTaco now onto AT's
Mar 26 20:02:05 KingTaco dang:
Mar 26 20:02:25 dang I'm Daniel Gryniewicz. I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA>
Mar 26 20:02:39 KingTaco Flameeyes:
Mar 26 20:03:10 Flameeyes I'm Diego Pettenà ². I live near Venice, Italy, and my \
hobby is to make luckyduck crazy with bug reports ;)
Mar 26 20:03:18 luckyduck =))
Mar 26 20:03:20 blubb lol
Mar 26 20:03:23 KingTaco heh
Mar 26 20:03:29 KingTaco jeeves:
Mar 26 20:03:33 hparker Good, he needs it ;)
Mar 26 20:03:39 KingTaco doh
Mar 26 20:03:43 KingTaco lanius
Mar 26 20:03:45 luckyduck hparker: :P
Mar 26 20:04:04 blubb idling since 1.5h
Mar 26 20:04:05 Kugelfang KingTaco: you shouldn't script anything :-P
Mar 26 20:04:07 Flameeyes luckyduck, it's cause of you that i'm here now :)
Mar 26 20:04:20 KingTaco lares:
Mar 26 20:04:27 luckyduck hehe, i enjoy it. i hope you too :)
Mar 26 20:04:27 Kugelfang that's what i call love ^^ Flameeyes
Mar 26 20:04:36 luckyduck hrhr
Mar 26 20:04:38 KingTaco ...
Mar 26 20:04:39 blubb KingTaco: idling for 02:22...
Mar 26 20:04:47 KingTaco LiveWire, ??
Mar 26 20:04:47 Flameeyes Kugelfang, ehm.. actually luckyduck it's not my type :)
Mar 26 20:04:59 luckyduck :(
Mar 26 20:05:17 KingTaco plasmaroo:
Mar 26 20:05:17 luckyduck i even have my own pond! :)
Mar 26 20:05:35 Flameeyes luckyduck, see? flames and water doesn't get along well :)
Mar 26 20:05:39 luckyduck :)
Mar 26 20:05:42 plasmaroo Me? I'm plasmaroo, live in a top-sekrit missile silo \
guarding top-sekrit um, items, and am Kugelfang's biatch and the official jester \
monkey here.
Mar 26 20:06:00 KingTaco heh
Mar 26 20:06:00 luckyduck hehe
Mar 26 20:06:03 blubb lol
Mar 26 20:06:04 Kugelfang plasmaroo: don't mix you bio up with pitr all the time
Mar 26 20:06:09 hparker hehe
Mar 26 20:06:10 Kugelfang plasmaroo: this is _NOT_ Userfriendly.org
Mar 26 20:06:11 plasmaroo Kugelfang: Huh?
Mar 26 20:06:22 plasmaroo Kugelfang: You mean you're mixing personalities :P
Mar 26 20:06:27 KingTaco seemant:
Mar 26 20:06:33 Kugelfang plasmaroo: the slavic accent, the missile silo :-P
Mar 26 20:06:36 * Kugelfang runs
Mar 26 20:06:45 plasmaroo Kugelfang: I am slavic, I am evil, is that news to you?
Mar 26 20:06:54 KingTaco solar:
Mar 26 20:07:10 Kugelfang plasmaroo: and you got a book: "Evil Geniuses for Dummies", \
right?
Mar 26 20:07:17 plasmaroo Kugelfang: No, I wrote it.
Mar 26 20:07:22 blubb lol
Mar 26 20:07:23 Kugelfang oh, sorry
Mar 26 20:07:24 luckyduck =)
Mar 26 20:07:33 KingTaco suri:
Mar 26 20:07:41 suri Uri Sivan, live in Israel (near Tel Aviv). I'm still trying to \
find out what I signed up for.
Mar 26 20:07:51 blubb lol
Mar 26 20:07:54 plasmaroo suri: Remember, you didn't sign up to be jhuebel's slave \
bitch.
Mar 26 20:07:54 KingTaco heh
Mar 26 20:08:14 suri I'll keep that in mind
Mar 26 20:08:15 KingTaco trelane:
Mar 26 20:08:24 dang plasmaroo: No, hparker's
Mar 26 20:08:31 plasmaroo dang: I know.
Mar 26 20:08:39 plasmaroo dang: I'm just reminding him that it's exclusively \
hparker's job :)
Mar 26 20:08:46 dang Ah.
Mar 26 20:09:08 luckyduck quality time with hparker :)
Mar 26 20:09:10 KingTaco ok, I guess that's the end of introductions
Mar 26 20:09:16 KingTaco next item:
Mar 26 20:09:20 KingTaco nemo
Mar 26 20:09:43 KingTaco as some of you have heard, we're taking "pledges" for \
upgrading/replacing nemo
Mar 26 20:09:53 Kugelfang ah, jupp
Mar 26 20:09:55 plasmaroo Chris is donating disks.
Mar 26 20:10:01 KingTaco if you give me a sec, I'll list who has pledged so far
Mar 26 20:10:01 plasmaroo He just needs to confirm if they'll go into the backplane.
Mar 26 20:10:11 blubb what is nemo's job?
Mar 26 20:10:22 blubb just testing box?
Mar 26 20:10:24 plasmaroo AMD64's slave box.
Mar 26 20:10:51 KingTaco that and releng
Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco Kingtaco $50
Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco seemant $20
Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco astinus $20
Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco luckyduck $20
Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco dang $20
Mar 26 20:10:55 KingTaco Kugelgang $20
Mar 26 20:10:57 blubb i see
Mar 26 20:11:06 KingTaco everything is in USD
Mar 26 20:11:17 KingTaco so, as you see we have $150
Mar 26 20:11:25 Kugelfang KingTaco: make my share the costs of the hat + $20
Mar 26 20:11:33 luckyduck inflationary currency :-p
Mar 26 20:11:36 KingTaco make that 175.26
Mar 26 20:11:38 dang I'm willing to up to $50.
Mar 26 20:11:50 Kugelfang whoo
Mar 26 20:11:59 blubb is this ebay or what? :D
Mar 26 20:12:01 Kugelfang someone with a regular income it seems :-)
Mar 26 20:12:03 luckyduck ok, i'll offer 23$
Mar 26 20:12:07 luckyduck =)
Mar 26 20:12:09 blubb lol
Mar 26 20:12:10 hparker I know I can do 20, might can go 50
Mar 26 20:12:40 KingTaco ok, lemme do some math
Mar 26 20:12:52 blubb first, second, sold. the box goes to that geeky guy in the \
second corner ;)
Mar 26 20:12:59 luckyduck =)
Mar 26 20:13:00 KingTaco now we're upto 228
Mar 26 20:13:11 KingTaco so, here's some good news
Mar 26 20:13:25 * blubb saves all his money for an ibook, sorry
Mar 26 20:13:31 KingTaco seemant is talking to previous sponsers about getting some \
support from them
Mar 26 20:13:42 KingTaco noone has to donate
Mar 26 20:13:48 KingTaco please don't think you have to
Mar 26 20:13:58 luckyduck now, where we have the AT's we're able to earn a lot of \
more money ;) Mar 26 20:13:58 * Flameeyes has just bought the new box :/
Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco Kingtaco $50
Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco seemant $20
Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco astinus $20
Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco luckyduck $23
Mar 26 20:14:27 KingTaco dang $50
Mar 26 20:14:30 Kugelfang KingTaco: and: wolf31o2 is shipping the RAID array to OSU
Mar 26 20:14:30 KingTaco Kugelgang $45
Mar 26 20:14:32 KingTaco hparker $20(50?)
Mar 26 20:14:44 KingTaco Kugelfang, yes, but he asked my not to include it in this
Mar 26 20:14:50 Kugelfang yeah
Mar 26 20:14:53 Kugelfang i see
Mar 26 20:14:56 suri What is the target?
Mar 26 20:14:57 stkn KingTaco: add me, 50$
Mar 26 20:15:39 KingTaco our target gola is ~600, which would cover the cost of a \
mobo + anothe optereon 246
Mar 26 20:15:49 Kugelfang plasmaroo: \
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010629&mode=classic
Mar 26 20:16:53 suri I can part with 20$.
Mar 26 20:16:59 KingTaco :)
Mar 26 20:17:15 Kugelfang suri: for you this might be a problem with transfer
Mar 26 20:17:26 * Flameeyes is going to replace the upgrade makefile with a shell \
script but has to build a cable to get the networking system under \
ups first
Mar 26 20:17:28 suri Why?
Mar 26 20:17:34 Kugelfang suri: you don't have anyone you could share the transfer \
fees from israel
Mar 26 20:18:00 suri Are you sending around hardware?
Mar 26 20:18:01 voxus KingTaco? you've pinged be?
Mar 26 20:18:06 Kugelfang suri: for example, stkn, luckyduck and /me can transfer \
from one acount and save transfer fees that way
Mar 26 20:18:10 blubb suri: no, money, but that's expensive too
Mar 26 20:18:14 Kugelfang suri: no, i mean bank transfer fees
Mar 26 20:18:16 plasmaroo Kugelfang: Hrm, sounds familiar.
Mar 26 20:18:20 KingTaco voxus, introduce yourself :)
Mar 26 20:18:21 Kugelfang plasmaroo: :-)
Mar 26 20:19:10 KingTaco ok, counting hparker at $20, we now have $298USD
Mar 26 20:19:32 voxus KingTaco: hmm. i'm a man, who've closed about ~15+ bind bugs \
during last night and still can't find a minute to fell asleep. :-/
Mar 26 20:19:36 KingTaco so we're about half way there
Mar 26 20:19:42 Kugelfang suri: e.g: if i had to transfer $20 alone, that would mean \
for paying $5 extras for transfer fees i think
Mar 26 20:19:49 Kugelfang suri: just wanted to tell ya :-)
Mar 26 20:19:51 plasmaroo PayPal?
Mar 26 20:19:58 * malc is Malcolm Lashley from the UK (Swindon), mostly too busy at \
work to dedicate as much time as he'd like to Gentoo ;)
Mar 26 20:20:11 Kugelfang plasmaroo: you got a paypal account?
Mar 26 20:20:16 plasmaroo Kugelfang: I do.
Mar 26 20:20:21 Kugelfang plasmaroo: oy
Mar 26 20:20:22 plasmaroo Kugelfang: But I'm not in the US.
Mar 26 20:20:26 malc What we raising money for?
Mar 26 20:20:33 Kugelfang malc: nemo
Mar 26 20:20:33 KingTaco to upgrade nemo
Mar 26 20:20:34 luckyduck nemo
Mar 26 20:20:47 hparker Saving Nemo
Mar 26 20:20:58 malc Cash is one thing I do have...
Mar 26 20:20:59 KingTaco or, if we can raise enough, buy a new amd64 machine
Mar 26 20:21:06 hparker (and yes, I own the movie ;)
Mar 26 20:21:20 blubb hparker: lol
Mar 26 20:21:21 KingTaco malc, pledges are welcome :)
Mar 26 20:21:34 KingTaco Kingtaco $50
Mar 26 20:21:34 KingTaco seemant $20
Mar 26 20:21:34 KingTaco astinus $20
Mar 26 20:21:34 KingTaco luckyduck $23
Mar 26 20:21:36 KingTaco dang $50
Mar 26 20:21:38 KingTaco Kugelgang $45
Mar 26 20:21:40 KingTaco hparker $20(50?)
Mar 26 20:21:40 malc I'm sure I can spare 30quid,
Mar 26 20:21:42 KingTaco stkn $50
Mar 26 20:21:44 KingTaco suri $20
Mar 26 20:21:46 KingTaco Tyan Tiger K8W - $237 @ newegg
Mar 26 20:21:48 KingTaco 2xOptern 246 (Retail) - $329 @ newegg
Mar 26 20:21:58 KingTaco 30quid? what's that in USD?
Mar 26 20:22:04 KingTaco approx?
Mar 26 20:22:07 plasmaroo About 50/55ish
Mar 26 20:22:10 plasmaroo If not 60
Mar 26 20:22:16 malc yeah 50$ or so
Mar 26 20:22:26 luckyduck what kind of cpu's are currently in nemo?
Mar 26 20:22:27 KingTaco ok, now were up to 350
Mar 26 20:22:31 malc I gave up watching the exchange rate when my stocks plummeted ;)
Mar 26 20:22:33 Kugelfang luckyduck: moment
Mar 26 20:22:35 KingTaco luckyduck, 1x246
Mar 26 20:22:42 luckyduck ah
Mar 26 20:22:49 plasmaroo How about you just ask in #gentoo-amd64?
Mar 26 20:22:58 KingTaco plasmaroo, thought about that
Mar 26 20:22:59 blubb yup, and forums
Mar 26 20:23:01 hparker mailing list?
Mar 26 20:23:05 KingTaco but a number of problems with i
Mar 26 20:23:06 KingTaco +t
Mar 26 20:23:11 blubb KingTaco: namely?
Mar 26 20:23:13 luckyduck wow, would be nice to have 3 additional opterons :)
Mar 26 20:23:19 plasmaroo Not really, if people donate, they donate to that box.
Mar 26 20:23:28 KingTaco 1) money from users should be donated to gentoo in general, \
and not to us specificly
Mar 26 20:23:51 plasmaroo KingTaco: Um, yeah, and money "to Gentoo" would go to \
things like ... developer hardware such as nemo.
Mar 26 20:23:54 KingTaco 2) I'd have to get trustees/managers invloved
Mar 26 20:23:56 Kugelfang model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246
Mar 26 20:24:16 KingTaco plasmaroo, there is other hardware that needs attention as \
well
Mar 26 20:24:25 plasmaroo KingTaco: Nod.
Mar 26 20:24:29 KingTaco doing it this way I can ensure that it all goes to nemo
Mar 26 20:24:46 hparker You can't donate to Gentoo, wanting it directed to a certain \
part?
Mar 26 20:25:03 KingTaco 3) I don't think I have the authority to ask for donations \
from our general userbase
Mar 26 20:25:05 Kugelfang hparker: well i don't even know if the trustees have opened \
an account yet ...
Mar 26 20:25:13 KingTaco Kugelfang, they have
Mar 26 20:25:18 KingTaco and it's empty
Mar 26 20:25:20 Kugelfang ah, ok
Mar 26 20:25:22 Kugelfang hehe
Mar 26 20:25:23 plasmaroo KingTaco: Why do you need authority?
Mar 26 20:25:24 Kugelfang thought so
Mar 26 20:25:29 blubb hparker: i think it's better, because if we get too much, we \
can't use it for other boxes...
Mar 26 20:25:54 KingTaco plasmaroo, I try to keep amd64 contained to us, with as \
little outside involvment as possible
Mar 26 20:26:16 plasmaroo True...
Mar 26 20:26:28 KingTaco we follow outside guidelines, but we are our own team
Mar 26 20:27:19 KingTaco so I guess a lot of you think we should be asking in other \
channels as well
Mar 26 20:27:46 malc If we can raise the cash amongst us, then fine. If not then I \
guess we're forced to seek outside help...
Mar 26 20:27:50 Kugelfang so, we have $368 if hparker gives 20 or $398 if hparker \
gives 50...
Mar 26 20:27:53 Kugelfang that's quite good already
Mar 26 20:27:58 blubb malc: ack
Mar 26 20:27:59 Kugelfang the new board is in for sure...
Mar 26 20:28:06 KingTaco oh yes
Mar 26 20:28:20 KingTaco and we have seemant talking to our vendors
Mar 26 20:28:37 Kugelfang heh
Mar 26 20:28:39 KingTaco idealy, I'd like to find a vendor to match what we've raised
Mar 26 20:28:50 blubb btw, didn't nvidia want to support us or so?
Mar 26 20:28:51 plasmaroo NVIDIA is amazingly nice.
Mar 26 20:29:03 Kugelfang yeah they donated nemo
Mar 26 20:29:11 plasmaroo ... and a few other boxes.
Mar 26 20:29:13 KingTaco I get the impression that nvidia will be the donater here
Mar 26 20:29:19 blubb ah
Mar 26 20:29:58 malc If someone knows nvidia, maybe we can ask them to match what the \
devs raise or something?
Mar 26 20:30:00 Kugelfang plasmaroo: particularly ?
Mar 26 20:30:14 plasmaroo Kugelfang: Particularly some infra boxes, one of which is a \
nice AMD64...
Mar 26 20:30:14 KingTaco malc, that's what seemant is doing
Mar 26 20:30:29 Kugelfang plasmaroo: ah, cvs, right?
Mar 26 20:30:33 plasmaroo Kugelfang: No, master rsync.
Mar 26 20:30:34 solar Kugelfang: there is an open account and we gentoo got it's \
first donation
Mar 26 20:30:50 Kugelfang i see
Mar 26 20:30:51 Kugelfang cool
Mar 26 20:30:55 KingTaco solar, you're back
Mar 26 20:31:11 KingTaco solar, wanna intorduce yourself and talk about \
amd64/hardened?
Mar 26 20:32:10 solar well alot of hardened users keep asking got amd64 stages. amd64 \
is the direction that I'm pushing our users
Mar 26 20:32:40 solar what do want me to say?
Mar 26 20:32:47 Kugelfang solar: you said, you want one dedicated amd64/hardened dev, \
right?
Mar 26 20:32:52 KingTaco you wanted a amd64/hardened dev?
Mar 26 20:32:57 Kugelfang anyone volounteering for that job ?
Mar 26 20:33:21 blubb what would that involve?
Mar 26 20:33:28 Kugelfang ^^solar
Mar 26 20:33:30 luckyduck what skills are required for that "job"?
Mar 26 20:33:32 solar oh that. yeah I want to barrow somebody from your team to join \
the hardened team also.
Mar 26 20:34:09 blubb does one have to be an asm monkey? ;)
Mar 26 20:34:17 luckyduck hehe=)
Mar 26 20:34:21 solar luckyduck: watch bugzilla for hardened bugs that have amd64 in \
emerge info
Mar 26 20:34:52 solar roll a few sets of stages at release time.
Mar 26 20:35:07 solar or talk this herd into going hardened by default :)
Mar 26 20:35:24 blubb lol
Mar 26 20:35:30 dang solar: would is cause any general problems? Popular software \
(gnome/kde) known to break?
Mar 26 20:35:41 blubb they want to assimilate us ;)
Mar 26 20:35:49 dang blubb: or we can assimilate them. :)
Mar 26 20:35:59 hparker I can't see that I need hardened on my laptop
Mar 26 20:36:15 solar actually it fixes quite a few things where amd64 has problems \
with shared libs and pic handling
Mar 26 20:36:48 blubb so it wouldn't be that different from what we do now... fixing \
bugs ;)
Mar 26 20:36:49 dang hparker: Only if there's overhead. If it's "free", why not use \
it?
Mar 26 20:36:54 Kugelfang solar: hm, do you CC amd64@g.o on those bugs ? or is it \
just that Hardware is set to amd64 ?
Mar 26 20:37:10 hparker dang: True
Mar 26 20:37:21 solar well pic handling problems is a shared problem we both have.
Mar 26 20:37:27 solar so I fix them
Mar 26 20:37:44 KingTaco so we should be working togethere
Mar 26 20:37:52 KingTaco whatabout an idea like this:
Mar 26 20:38:06 solar yeah. cuz if we do official stages at some point I'm sure \
bugzilla will light up a bit.
Mar 26 20:38:55 KingTaco we can have amd64/2005.0/hardened profiles that would still \
allow for unstable packages and whatnot, not quite as restruictive as the current \
hardened profiles, and we could have hardened/amd64 profile where it is more \
restrictive
Mar 26 20:39:18 Kugelfang KingTaco: no need for that...
Mar 26 20:39:26 KingTaco no
Mar 26 20:39:35 mini-morfic wth do those $ numbers represent?
Mar 26 20:39:37 blubb KingTaco: i think it would confuse users
Mar 26 20:39:44 KingTaco mini-morfic, USD
Mar 26 20:39:48 Kugelfang solar, KingTaco: currently the hardened/amd64 profile bases \
_solely_ on the hardened profile...
Mar 26 20:39:55 KingTaco mini-morfic, donations for nemo
Mar 26 20:40:04 solar base->hardened->amd64
Mar 26 20:40:16 Kugelfang but i think portage people prepare multi-parent cascaded \
profiles
Mar 26 20:40:21 Kugelfang if i'm not mistaken
Mar 26 20:40:23 * mini-morfic is now known as nemo_
Mar 26 20:40:28 nemo_ thanks
Mar 26 20:40:37 * nemo_ is now known as mini-morfic
Mar 26 20:40:46 solar multiparent is a nice idea
Mar 26 20:40:53 KingTaco my problem with us moving to a solely hardened profile is we \
still have a lot of testing to do
Mar 26 20:41:02 Kugelfang solar: yeah, would ease Amd64/hardened much
Mar 26 20:41:11 KingTaco which I don't think hardened lends itsself to
Mar 26 20:41:20 Kugelfang KingTaco: i don't want to no solely hardened profile, \
honestly
Mar 26 20:41:30 Kugelfang s/to//
Mar 26 20:42:09 KingTaco right, it doesn't fit us well currently
Mar 26 20:42:18 solar fedora has already moved in that direction
Mar 26 20:42:20 Kugelfang hm, no portage monkey available atm
Mar 26 20:42:26 Kugelfang solar: hardened only ?
Mar 26 20:42:33 KingTaco but I would like to be able to offer hardened for amd64 \
users
Mar 26 20:42:40 solar more or less. they use PIE for all services
Mar 26 20:42:45 Kugelfang i see
Mar 26 20:43:02 solar and are moving towards a -DFORTIFY_SOURCE feature of gcc-4.x \
when it hits
Mar 26 20:43:03 KingTaco PIE was invented by a RH guy iirc
Mar 26 20:43:15 KingTaco or was that SSP
Mar 26 20:43:37 solar the fstack-protector (ssp IBM) is what some of you would \
probably not want.
Mar 26 20:44:31 solar PIE yes and no. It's a long story how it came about. RH likes \
to barrow ideas and rename thing under the RH dev flavor
Mar 26 20:45:08 KingTaco I remember reading a RH white paper about ssp a while back
Mar 26 20:45:18 KingTaco my impression was a rh guy did it
Mar 26 20:45:22 solar pie is no more than just making your executables into pure \
shared objects
Mar 26 20:45:24 Kugelfang KingTaco: this still part of the meeting?
Mar 26 20:45:28 Kugelfang KingTaco: if not, let's end the log
Mar 26 20:45:37 solar you maybe read a RH paper about mudflap
Mar 26 20:45:39 KingTaco Kugelfang, "open discussion"
Mar 26 20:45:45 blubb heh
Mar 26 20:45:45 Kugelfang KingTaco: i see
Mar 26 20:45:45 KingTaco solar, yes, exactly
Mar 26 20:46:01 solar it differs from ssp in a few ways.
Mar 26 20:46:07 KingTaco Kugelfang, but yeah, we're digressing
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