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Subject:    RE: [fw-wiz] Reducing Napster and beyond...
From:       Jonn Martell <martell () ucs ! ubc ! ca>
Date:       2000-10-21 11:10:16
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What is the "problem"? :
Pigs.  

Pure pigs.  Napters (version 10/00) will use as much bandwidth as it can.  
Is this "good". "Sure!" and "No way!"

If it's there, use it...well.... it costs $$ doen't it??  That is where
usage charging fall apart.  "We" have enough fiber - let's not be "pigs"
one way or the other.... Is this really too much to ask??

As for what "technology" to deploy to make Napster "behave" (because it
simply DOES NOT), Packeteer seems to be the leader at this point.

Disc: Not an investor, yet. :)

 fool

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Harris, Tim wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:53:23 -0700
> From: "Harris, Tim" <tharris@ocair.com>
> To: "'Zarcone, Christopher'" <Christopher.Zarcone@netigy.com>,
>      firewall-wizards@nfr.net
> Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] Killing Napster and beyond...
> 
> This is essentially just like many of the other problems we face as
> network/firewall/infrastructure administrators/designers/etc.
> 
> There are two people (or groups) with goals that are fundamentally in
> conflict and are utterly incompatible with each other.  There is no pure
> technological solution nor is there a purely procedural solution.  If either
> extreme prevails then the loser will search for a way around the solution.
> 
> Given the current limitations we have to live with, whether they be
> technology, policy or finances, the only possible solution is going to have
> to be a compromise between the opposing groups.  A "people" solution
> bolstered by technology and backed by some meaningful penalties should
> either group break the agreement.  Naturally, this solution will be
> different for every organization but we do the best we can, don't we?
> 
> That, of course brings us around to why this thread is on "Firewall-wizards"
> in the first place:  What are the technological mechanisms for preventing
> these applications?
> 
> See Christopher's post for a very brief list of some of the possibilities.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Zarcone, Christopher [mailto:Christopher.Zarcone@netigy.com]
> >
> >Indeed, Napster and RealAudio are greedy applications in
> >terms of bandwidth,
> >but there are a lot of creative solutions that don't
> >involve blocking ports.
> 
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