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Subject: Re: Unable to do F40 Live Workstation install on machine with very old graphics
From: John Pilkington <johnpilk222 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2024-04-27 11:54:45
Message-ID: acd6b1a0-280a-43fe-9207-24149568ea33 () gmail ! com
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On 27/04/2024 04:28, Felix Miata wrote:
> Andre Robatino composed on 2024-04-27 02:49 (UTC):
>
> > I have an old machine from 2008 with very old integrated graphics (GeForce 6150SE \
> > nForce 430). Up to and including F39, I was able to do a Live Workstation install \
> > simply by using the nomodeset boot option. With F40 that no longer works - it \
> > fails to come up in graphical. I ended up doing a netinstall, but it came up in \
> > text mode instead of graphical, and suggested VNC, which I was able to use to do \
> > a graphical install (necessary since I wanted to preserve /home, requiring custom \
> > partitioning). After installation, it turns out that by replacing gdm with \
> > another display manager (I used lxdm), I could even use GNOME, though screen \
> > locking, which requires gdm, doesn't work - not a big deal.
>
> # inxi -GSaz --zl --hostname
> System:
> Host: mcp61 Kernel: 6.6.23-1-longterm arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
> v: 13.2.1 clocksource: tsc avail: acpi_pm parameters: root=LABEL=<filter>
> ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume consoleblank=0 preempt=full
> mitigations=off
> Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.10 tk: Qt v: 5.15.12 info: frameworks
> v: 5.115.0 wm: kwin_x11 dm: 1: KDM 2: XDM Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed
> 20240403
> Graphics:
> Device-1: NVIDIA C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] vendor: Micro-Star MSI
> driver: nouveau v: kernel non-free: series: 304.xx
> status: legacy (EOL~2017-09-xx) last: release: 304.137 kernel: 4.13
> xorg: 1.19 arch: Curie process: 90-130nm built: 2003-2013 ports:
> active: VGA-1 empty: none bus-ID: 00:0d.0 chip-ID: 10de:03d0
> class-ID: 0300
> Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.4
> compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting dri: nouveau
> gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1
> Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1680x1050 s-dpi: 108 s-size: 395x246mm (15.55x9.69")
> s-diag: 465mm (18.32")
> Monitor-1: VGA-1 model: Dell P2213 serial: <filter> built: 2012
> res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65")
> diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
> API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: nvidia nouveau platforms: device: 0 egl: 1.4
> drv: nouveau device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: egl: 1.4 drv: nouveau surfaceless:
> egl: 1.4 drv: nouveau x11: egl: 1.4 drv: nouveau inactive: wayland
> API: OpenGL v: 4.5 compat-v: 2.1 vendor: mesa v: 24.0.3 glx-v: 1.4
> direct-render: yes renderer: NV4C device-ID: 10de:03d0 memory: 115.2 MiB
> unified: no
> #
> I've never tried Fedora on my old beast. It's functional in Debian 12 as well as
> openSUSE TW and Leap, but if you diligently search the web, you're likely to find
> confirmation that the 6150SE was likely the most troublesome and/or lowest value
> GeForce NVidia ever put to market. If you wish to keep that PC useful, I suggest
> finding a better GPU to install, even if that means it must be PCI rather than
> PCIe. I have a similar aged P4D with a passively cooled GeForce 8400 PCI that does
> a respectable job for something so old and inexpensive, and better than my 6150SE.
I would like to follow this up, but in relation to my two old boxes
running F39 with the low-end nvidia GT710 cards.
The single-boot box is now running acceptably with the nouveau driver.
The dual-boot box doesn't boot straight into graphics mode, pausing
while waiting to exit the plymouth screen and hanging after failing to
start abrtd.service.
ctrl-alt-F2 allows login, and plasmastart-wayland gives a 800x600
plasma screen and starts wifi. I haven't yet found a bootline that does
better than this. Mostly the system just freezes.
I had installed the updated rpmfusion 340xx packages, without useful
results, before trying the updated 470xx. There are still references to
a 340xx config in the Xorg log.
I hadn't used inxi before. Maybe posting the results will reveal
something...
{{{
2024041130 BST
Single-boot
#inxi -GSaz --zl --hostname
System:
Host: HPFed Kernel: 6.8.7-200.fc39.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
compiler: gcc v: 2.40-14.fc39 clocksource: hpet avail: acpi_pm
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=(hd0,msdos1)/vmlinuz-6.8.7-200.fc39.x86_64
root=/dev/mapper/fedora-root ro rd.driver.blacklist=nvidia
modprobe.blacklist=nvidia nouveau-drm.modeset=1 rd.lvm.lv=fedora/swap
rd.lvm.lv=fedora/root rhgb quiet
Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.11 tk: Qt v: 5.15.12 info: frameworks
v: 5.115.0 wm: kwin_x11 vt: 2 dm: SDDM Distro: Fedora Linux 39
(Thirty Nine)
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GK208B [GeForce GT 710] vendor: Micro-Star MSI
driver: nouveau v: kernel non-free: series: 470.xx+
status: legacy-active (EOL~2024-09-xx) arch: Fermi 2 code: GF119/GK208
process: TSMC 28nm built: 2010-2016 pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s
lanes: 8
ports: active: HDMI-A-1,VGA-1 empty: DVI-D-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0
chip-ID: 10de:128b class-ID: 0300 temp: 45.0 C
Device-2: Conexant Systems (Rockwell) Geniatech T230 DVB-T2 TV Stick
driver: dvb_usb_dvbsky type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1
mode: 2.0
bus-ID: 1-2:2 chip-ID: 0572:c688 class-ID: 0000
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.14 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6
compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded:
fbdev,vesa
dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3048x1050 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 804x277mm (31.65x10.91")
s-diag: 850mm (33.48")
Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: right model: Sony TV built: 2020
res: 1368x768 hz: 60 dpi: 49 gamma: 1.2 size: 708x398mm (27.87x15.67")
diag: 1836mm (72.3") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 1360x768 min: 640x480
Monitor-2: VGA-1 pos: primary,left model: Dell 2009W serial: <filter>
built: 2009 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 99 gamma: 1.2
size: 433x271mm (17.05x10.67") diag: 511mm (20.1") ratio: 16:10 modes:
max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: nvidia nouveau platforms: device: 0 drv: nouveau
device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: nouveau surfaceless: drv: nouveau x11:
drv: nouveau inactive: wayland
API: OpenGL v: 4.5 compat-v: 4.3 vendor: mesa v: 23.3.6 glx-v: 1.4
direct-render: yes renderer: NV106 device-ID: 10de:128b memory:
986.3 MiB
unified: no
API: Vulkan v: 1.3.275 layers: 1 device: 0 type: cpu name: llvmpipe (LLVM
17.0.6 128 bits) driver: N/A device-ID: 10005:0000 surfaces: xcb,xlib
================
2024041140 BST
Dual-boot with Windows 10
#inxi -GSaz --zl --hostname
System:
Host: FedWin4c1 Kernel: 6.8.7-200.fc39.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
compiler: gcc v: 2.40-14.fc39 clocksource: tsc avail: hpet,acpi_pm
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=(hd2,gpt2)/vmlinuz-6.8.7-200.fc39.x86_64
root=/dev/mapper/fedora_localhost--live-root ro
rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau
resume=/dev/mapper/fedora_localhost--live-swap
rd.lvm.lv=fedora_localhost-live/root
rd.lvm.lv=fedora_localhost-live/swap
rhgb quiet nomodeset
Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.11 tk: Qt v: 5.15.12 info: frameworks
v: 5.115.0 wm: kwin_wayland with: krunner vt: 2 dm: SDDM Distro: Fedora
Linux 39 (Thirty Nine)
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GK208B [GeForce GT 710] vendor: ASUSTeK GT710-SL-1GD5
driver: nvidia v: 470.239.06 alternate: nouveau,nvidia_drm non-free:
series: 470.xx+ status: legacy-active (EOL~2024-09-xx) arch: Fermi 2
code: GF119/GK208 process: TSMC 28nm built: 2010-2016 pcie: gen: 2
speed: 5 GT/s lanes: 8 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:128b class-ID:
0300
Display: wayland server: X.org v: 1.20.14 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6
compositor: kwin_wayland driver: X: loaded: N/A alternate: nvidia
gpu: nvidia display-ID: 0
Monitor-1: Unknown-1 res: 800x600 size: N/A modes: N/A
API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: nvidia platforms: device: 0 drv: nvidia
device: 2
drv: swrast gbm: drv: kms_swrast surfaceless: drv: swrast wayland:
drv: swrast x11: drv: swrast inactive: device-1
API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 23.3.6 glx-v: 1.4
direct-render: yes renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 17.0.6 256 bits)
device-ID: ffffffff:ffffffff memory: 15.21 GiB unified: yes
display-ID: :0.0
API: Vulkan v: 1.3.275 layers: 2 device: 0 type: discrete-gpu
name: NVIDIA GeForce GT 710 driver: N/A device-ID: 10de:128b
surfaces: xcb,xlib,wayland device: 1 type: cpu name: llvmpipe (LLVM
17.0.6 256 bits) driver: N/A device-ID: 10005:0000
surfaces: xcb,xlib,wayland
}}}
John P
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