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List:       fedora-devel-list
Subject:    Re: F37 proposal: Build all JDKs in Fedora against in-tree libraries and with static stdc++lib (Syst
From:       Peter Boy <pboy () uni-bremen ! de>
Date:       2022-05-27 14:04:14
Message-ID: E4D21FD3-DBFF-48FB-93FC-D9E1F21E8DCE () uni-bremen ! de
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> Am 27.05.2022 um 14:00 schrieb Vitaly Zaitsev via devel \
> <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>: 
> Bundled libraries are always outdated and even vulnerable. 

Really sorry, but such a statement is simply intellectual bullshit. Unfortunately, it \
is not possible to formulate this in a more friendly yet unambiguous way. And in this \
thread in particular, the many allegations, unclouded by any expertise but made all \
the more decisively, are simply annoying - and a huge waste of everyone's time in the \
long run. 

With technically correct workflow, there is at least a time x where the included libs \
are not outdated and where vulnerability is unknown at worst. How someone comes up \
with "always" is beyond me.

And whether to include a lib in a package is a tradeoff between various pros and \
cons. Depending on the circumstances, the result is different. 

The Change proposal correctly includes several reasons for consideration. And no \
viable argument has yet been put forward as to why the consideration given is \
*necessarily* incorrect. 

Several conceivable alternatives would also be viable. But as long as no one is \
directly affected in a negative way and no one comes forward to do the work involved \
with an alternative, .... 


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